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Mustapha Dump
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icon25 Feb 2019 19:57
Talk about fickle, he was saying that he & his party didn't back a 2nd referendum in two separate interviews only last month 40
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-labour-...
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russ123rocket
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icon25 Feb 2019 20:27
I personally think that Corbyn is s!$%ting himself that he may actually have a chance of becoming pm within the next year and will do everything he can to make sure he drops votes.

That ISIS Bint that he wants to bring back and now this 2nd referendum bollox just shows how much he cannot be trusted but that is what he wants. He just wants to be a protester, a heckler, someone who can stand up and say "I told you so!" every few years when a difficult decision made by someone else goes wrong.

The looney left Labour have positioned themselves to fail because that is what they want, they would s!$% themselves and fall apart internally if they ever came to power.

All cnuts!
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Bez
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icon25 Feb 2019 20:44
I think this has more to do with the new Independent Group of MPs and his fear of hemorrhaging more MPs if he isn't seen to be more open to a second vote.

I doubt he has personally changed his mind on holding a second referendum but has been persuaded that this is a necessary measure to try and hold his party together.
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andy d
Yorkshire,
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icon25 Feb 2019 21:17
Rumour is that 70 labour MPs will vote against a second referendum.
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GDCobra
North West,
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icon25 Feb 2019 21:42
andy d:
Rumour is that 70 labour MPs will vote against a second referendum.


Perhaps if they have a second vote they'll get the response they want. If not then a third maybe.
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onlineThat bloke Nick
Birley edge,
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icon26 Feb 2019 06:38
If Labour facilitate a second vote, they will be committing suicide.

They will lose all working-class support in the North, Midlands and Wales, and will be reduced to a pressure group for metropolitan communists and lesbians.
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~Bluelabel~
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icon26 Feb 2019 07:02
If theres a second referendum, that'll be the end of democracy in this country and any respect/support for any political party... no-one will trust an mp, party, or decision, ever again.
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andy d
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icon26 Feb 2019 07:36
That bloke Nick:
If Labour facilitate a second vote, they will be committing suicide.

They will lose all working-class support in the North, Midlands and Wales, and will be reduced to a pressure group for metropolitan communists and lesbians.


:lol: True.
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Spugs
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icon26 Feb 2019 08:35
~Bluelabel~:
If theres a second referendum, that'll be the end of democracy in this country and any respect/support for any political party... no-one will trust an mp, party, or decision, ever again.
Your right , I doubt if I will move my hairy little arse down to the poling station ever again the arsehole S N P won't accept any results that go against them, Mrs May says sugar Corbyn says s!$%e and that little f!$%er Blackford says total s!$%e, a f!$%ing embarrassment to Scotland. they should never have allowed the f!$%ers into the house of parliament moaning whinning f!$%ers
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Mach 1
Durham,
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Bonneville (01-08)


icon26 Feb 2019 08:51
I reckon Corbyn has backed a 2nd ref purely in case it ends up in a no deal scenario if a deal can't be agreed upon . I personally think it is going to be extremely difficult to have a majority concensus for a Brexit deal in Parliament , so what is the only other outcome ?
Put it to the people looks to be a common option as No deal isn't backed by virtually any MP .
I've said in another post , I'll eat hay with a donkey if we leave on March 29th , I just don't see it happening
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russ123rocket
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icon26 Feb 2019 08:53
That bloke Nick:
If Labour facilitate a second vote, they will be committing suicide.

They will lose all working-class support in the North, Midlands and Wales, and will be reduced to a pressure group for metropolitan communists and lesbians.



No change then....
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Obeewan
Eastern Angles,
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icon26 Feb 2019 08:58
That bloke Nick:
If Labour facilitate a second vote, they will be committing suicide.

They will lose all working-class support in the North, Midlands and Wales, and will be reduced to a pressure group for metropolitan communists and lesbians.


You are a true wordsmith Nick.:lol::lol:

Spot on too.
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Strat
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icon26 Feb 2019 11:33
As a Labour Party member, but no Corbyn supporter, I can’t believe how badly he and the shadow cabinet are handling this, and most other things, I think someone’s already pointed out this is more to do with stopping further defections than a new-found love of the EU.

I know it’s their job to sort it out, but what are the politician’s going to do, with just over a month to go, May’s held hostage by her own red lines and the hard-line Brexiteers within her party, Corbyn doesn’t want to remain as membership of the EU would scupper his dream of a socialist nirvana (rules against state aid, nationalisation etc), most MP’s seem against a no-deal Brexit, but don’t want to approve May’s deal, and the EU seem resolute (or intransigent, depending on your POV).

I can’t see any other option than delaying for a few months, but without a break in the deadlock, what would that achieve?

I think the majority on here are Leavers, what do you want (apart from the result of the referendum to be respected, and in your shoes, I’d want that too), but what outcome are you looking for?

But also, in Labour’s ‘defence’, this is a Tory f!$%-up from start to finish, nearly three years after the referendum, which they conceived and delivered, we seem to be in a right state, so blaming others (Labour, SNP, the EU etc) for May’s inability to command a majority within her own party (with the DUP, but then her mis-timed election lead to that situation as well) or effectively negotiate with our European allies, might make us feel better, but this one’s on them.
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Obeewan
Eastern Angles,
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icon26 Feb 2019 12:29
If May hadn't f!$%ed the election up, and had a commanding majority, things could be even worse, she might've steamrolled her dreadful WA through already. Thank f!$% for small mercies.
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~Bluelabel~
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icon26 Feb 2019 13:20
Myself... I want what was promised... OUT... no namby pambying OUT and if that means no deal so be it...
Had enough EU s!$%e and to be honest I'd shoot the feckin' lot of em... Corbyn for being a surrender Monkey.... May for being inept.... and anyone else just because they are in it for all they can get out of it... and it seems that 80% (or so I heard on the box t'other day) have ties of some sort to the EU, which goes against a mandate by the people to get out... a "conflict of interests" doesn't even cover it:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
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Obeewan
Eastern Angles,
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icon26 Feb 2019 13:52
~Bluelabel~:
Myself... I want what was promised... OUT... no namby pambying OUT and if that means no deal so be it...
Had enough EU s!$%e and to be honest I'd shoot the feckin' lot of em... Corbyn for being a surrender Monkey.... May for being inept.... and anyone else just because they are in it for all they can get out of it... and it seems that 80% (or so I heard on the box t'other day) have ties of some sort to the EU, which goes against a mandate by the people to get out... a "conflict of interests" doesn't even cover it:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:


You, me and millions of others.:thumbup:
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Strat
North West,
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Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon26 Feb 2019 14:15
~Bluelabel~:
Myself... I want what was promised... OUT... no namby pambying OUT and if that means no deal so be it...
Had enough EU s!$%e and to be honest I'd shoot the feckin' lot of em... Corbyn for being a surrender Monkey.... May for being inept.... and anyone else just because they are in it for all they can get out of it... and it seems that 80% (or so I heard on the box t'other day) have ties of some sort to the EU, which goes against a mandate by the people to get out... a "conflict of interests" doesn't even cover it:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:


So I’m a remainer and find this viewpoint hard to understand, but we know that so let’s not have (another) row.

Do you think this because you think we’ll be better off once we leave, and all the ‘warnings’ about the economy, cost of living, medicine shortages, food shortages, transport etc etc are just wrong?

Or are you just fed-up with the whole thing and want it to be over, and leaving (even without a deal) is something and allows us to get on with life outside the EU?
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~Bluelabel~
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icon26 Feb 2019 14:20
It's not difficult.... Junker and Barnier offered May/UK a deal.... it was a take it or leave it deal.... in other words this is all you're going to get... the only other option is No Deal.... they voted out the Junker/Barnier offer... the only other option is no deal.... WHAT THE f!$% IS SO DIFFICULT ABOUT THAT...

I really don't give a flying f!$% about the "Members" little deals going down the s!$%ter... recession...??? we've been in one for years another one ain't gonna make a difference.... the only difference is that MP's workloads will get MUCH bigger to sort the Brexit out properly... but that's why they entered politics in the first place... to run this country.... if they don't like it they can always f!$% off and give someone else a go

Addendum

I don't believe that there will be food and medicine shortages, prices will go up but then they always do and yes I want us OUT and at the end of the Article 50 deadline

(oh as for medicine shortages I worked in Pharma for nigh on 20 years, all Pharma companies have been stockpiling actives and bulk agents since the referendum... don't believe everything you read, see on TV/media or some bloke in a pub told you
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Hov
Sussex,
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icon26 Feb 2019 20:18
The proposed referendum (now backed by labour) would not have no deal as an option. Only May’s abortion of a deal or remain. 17 million very angry voters.
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

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Bonneville (01-08)


icon26 Feb 2019 22:35
And around 16.5 million happy ones , unfortunately. It makes a mockery of the initial referendum's simple question of wether we stay or leave the EU , and all the shambles around Brexit is solely at the feet of those MP's who have never accepted the result . They have made an absolute mockery of Democracy :speechless:
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lord homertrix stand up
derbyshire,
United Kingdom

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icon27 Feb 2019 07:24
None of it is real, they all play this dramatised role to try to make people think they are worth the money they take from the taxpayer, not a single one of them cares about the running of the country, its all about making and inventing problems that are not real.

They do however cause a lot of damage when they invent problems that they then show its their job to try to sort out, as they never fix the problem they create and they over charge for the time they spend pretending to try to fix it....

Only one cure, up against a wall and a browning 303 bullet through the chest cavity.
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Bez
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icon27 Feb 2019 21:03
I think this is all just carefully thought out politics at play here by Corbyn.

He has obviously held off for as long as possible to back a second referendum but as like the Tories his party is split on the issue and the now real threat of members leaving for the Independent Group he has backed it to placate them, but also gambling on the fact that there is no majority in the house to back a second referendum so should keep his leavers on side to.

Just because he has backed a second referendum doesn't necessary mean it is more likely to happen.
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~Bluelabel~
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icon27 Feb 2019 21:24
If there is democracy is truly dead
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Henpecked
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icon27 Feb 2019 23:11
~Bluelabel~:
If there is democracy is truly dead


Some would argue democracy dies if we have the second referendum.

Industry and the country have spent 50 years adapting to change imposed by the EU many of which we disagreed with as a country. Another year wont kill us.

If the EU had stayed with the original intent of promoting and easing trade internally for members and providing a strengthened bargaining position worldwide it would potentially be worth supporting.

Unfortunately it seems more like Animal Farm every day with some more equal than others and a select few seeking to control everything and create a federal europe rather than celebrate the diversity of cultures working together.

The vote was Out or Stay. the deal we can negotiate is a separate issue but having set their stall the Government should now deliver. All the pessimistic predictions are just predictions. How often are we also told that we have exceeded expectations since the initial vote despite all the fears.:frown:

This country is and always will be Great Britain. We have our differences but when required we pull together.

Rather than be seen as a thorn in the side of a federal europe why not stand outside of it as a barometer and show that there is an alternative where nations can work together while still respecting sovereignty as others already do. Does anyone really think the politicians involved in the current pissing contest will not simply move onto the next challenge/battle once the outcome is known. I'd suggest that nearly all of the current posturing in parliament and europe is based on self preservation of individual roles rather than a genuine desire to serve the people they profess to represent.
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lord homertrix stand up
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icon28 Feb 2019 07:26
This country is NOT and NEVER has been great Britain,
Its a money grabbing pile of s!$% heads that often turn a blind eye to every kind of atrocities possible. Run by the lowest seedy scum that can be scraped from the bottom of a barrel. And don't ever try to say it isn't.


:thumbup:
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Stagstan
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icon28 Feb 2019 09:00
Be funny if there was a second referendum and the percentage vote to leave was greater than the first!!!
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onlineThat bloke Nick
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icon28 Feb 2019 09:06
lord homertrix stand up:
This country is NOT and NEVER has been great Britain,
Its a money grabbing pile of s!$% heads that often turn a blind eye to every kind of atrocities possible. Run by the lowest seedy scum that can be scraped from the bottom of a barrel. And don't ever try to say it isn't.


:thumbup:


That's just Glossop.
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russ123rocket
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icon28 Feb 2019 09:18
Corbyn is a Cnut!, he is a Cnut today, he was a Cnut yesterday and he will still be a Cnut tomorrow.

Do I need to go on.....:frown:
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lord homertrix stand up
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icon28 Feb 2019 09:59
That bloke Nick:
lord homertrix stand up:
This country is NOT and NEVER has been great Britain,
Its a money grabbing pile of s!$% heads that often turn a blind eye to every kind of atrocities possible. Run by the lowest seedy scum that can be scraped from the bottom of a barrel. And don't ever try to say it isn't.


:thumbup:


That's just Glossop.


Kind of funny but the reality is the British government along with most of the other powerful governments have been making fake wars to generate money and doing deals behind closed doors with big corporate companies for hundreds of years all at the cost of the lives and money of the lower class like me and you.
You can't fight it or ever even think about beating it, so the only way you have of living some kind of life not battling with what they do is ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, they will take what ever they want whether you want or not.
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Salty
in my shed,
United Kingdom

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icon28 Feb 2019 11:40
russ123rocket:
Corbyn is a Cnut!, he is a Cnut today, he was a Cnut yesterday and he will still be a Cnut tomorrow.

Do I need to go on.....:frown:



he would only come second in the biggest Cnut competition.....why...cos he's a Cnut:lol:
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KentGoldings
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Sweden

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icon28 Feb 2019 11:45
Salty:
russ123rocket:
Corbyn is a Cnut!, he is a Cnut today, he was a Cnut yesterday and he will still be a Cnut tomorrow.

Do I need to go on.....:frown:



he would only come second in the biggest Cnut competition.....why...cos he's a Cnut:lol:


Yes, he may be a Cnut but will never be Cnut the Great! :grin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_G...
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Obeewan
Eastern Angles,
United Kingdom

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icon28 Feb 2019 14:13
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,,
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)


icon28 Feb 2019 15:28
Yup... spot on:tongueout::thumbup:
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russ123rocket
Swinetown, Wiltshire,
United Kingdom

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icon28 Feb 2019 18:31
I sated here once on a bike tour of the Alps................I felt quite at home really.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g580...
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Hov
Sussex,
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icon01 Mar 2019 08:14
Stagstan:
Be funny if there was a second referendum and the percentage vote to leave was greater than the first!!!

The question would be remain or accept May’s deal. No real leave option.:angry:
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