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Rob NMTB
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icon22 Mar 2018 12:42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canad...

Hard to see how the makers could blame anyone else for that !
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Nick
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icon22 Mar 2018 13:38
If they're between the curbs, they're fair game.:speechless::smirk:
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Nelster
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icon22 Mar 2018 13:39
Is it any wonder when the human is looking at everything except the road ahead?

And people still think this is a good idea :speechless:
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----KK----
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icon22 Mar 2018 14:22
The cyclist must have seen the car, why would you run across a road into an oncoming car? It wasn't on a pedestrian crossing, no traffic lights etc. The cyclist was unlit. Hard to blame the car IMHO, a person driving may not have seen her any sooner.
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Rob NMTB
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icon22 Mar 2018 15:19
imho - that was 100% the cars fault, certainly in the eyes of the law

Maybe highlighting another problem ? If it's electric was it pretty much silent - unlike a decent petrol engine 02
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Gladtobebackontwowheels
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icon22 Mar 2018 15:24
But autonomous vehicles don't use "sight" to navigate, although I think they do also have visual cameras. The bulk of navigation is done by LIDAR and radar so the fact that she wasn't lit up shouldn't have made any difference. Personally I will NEVER ride in a driverless car.
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Tasha
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icon22 Mar 2018 15:51
I keep telling this bloke at work it's gonna be a long time before you see them on the road. After all how can they decide whether to run down a kid or a woman pushing a pram. Glad they're not testing em on the mean streets of Dundee. No one here looks at the road to cross, their too engrossed in their phones
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----KK----
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icon22 Mar 2018 16:17
Rob NMTB:
imho - that was 100% the cars fault, certainly in the eyes of the law

How do you make that? A person runs blindly into the path of a car at night. If the car was driven by a person they had little to no opportunity to do anything.
I ran over a pedestrian about 25 years ago, they ran out into the road giving me no option to do anything, witnesses stated that, the police investigated and found I'd done nothing wrong, no case to answer.
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ian
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icon22 Mar 2018 18:41
And some surprise that called a woman behind the wheel:speechless:
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GDCobra
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icon22 Mar 2018 19:39
I can't understand this idea of having a human behind the wheel. If the system is not up to the job the human is rarely going to be much use. Experience has told me that as soon as you start putting some automation into an environment humans get more complacent than before, you need to remove all the errors or you may as well leave well alone.
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Gladtobebackontwowheels
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icon22 Mar 2018 20:33
So if/when, say, 50% of the cars on the road are fully automated would that mean that the rest of us could have a field day as they will always give way will they not? :evil:
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Rob NMTB
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icon22 Mar 2018 20:42
"A person runs blindly into the path of a car at night."

She certainly wasn't paying attention, but I don't see her running anywhere 01

A vaguely observant driver would have seen her.

It does show the supposed collision avoidance features clearly don't work
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----KK----
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icon22 Mar 2018 20:49
Rob NMTB:
"A person runs blindly into the path of a car at night."

She certainly wasn't paying attention, but I don't see her running anywhere 01

You need to get down to Specsavers.:tongueout:.....and leave your car keys at home.:smirk:
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Fretmeister
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icon22 Mar 2018 20:50
SMIDSY.

That is all I can say. No difference.
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Nelster
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icon22 Mar 2018 21:04
Turn all the lights off, go out side for 5 minutes, and you'll be able to see pretty well whatever the darkness. Cameras are not great at replicating the human eyeball so I don't believe the extent of the camera footage to be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth your honour.
My gopro is pretty good in low light, but not as good as my eyes.

Taking account of that being america and the driver being in the car to prevent such a thing, I see a massive law suit coming and it won't be in Uber or the drivers favour.
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KentGoldings
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icon24 Mar 2018 18:20
A Volvo with or without a driver, which is the most dangerous?

It seems it was an XC90. No comments from Volvo in Sweden...


Modern lyrics will be..
"Keep your eyes on the phone and no hands upon the wheel" :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ObHezZo...
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Nice n Fat
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icon24 Mar 2018 18:30
I don't see how it was the fault of the car

It's not like the car mounted the pavement and mowed her down /media/file/68296.aspx
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----KK----
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icon24 Mar 2018 19:09
From what I've read the problem seems to be that the car failed to react at all and it didn't detect her at any point, whether that would have made any difference to the actual outcome is another thing.
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Nige
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icon25 Mar 2018 11:45
It appears as though object detection is radar not visual therefore light levels should not matter one jot. And now the company who supply the radar technology used by self-driving cars are saying "not us Guv" and blaming the computer software that interprets the radar inputs for collision avoidance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-435...
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Nelster
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icon25 Mar 2018 16:53
The actual visibiliy should not matter to how the car operates in autonomous mode, but I imagine it will be a very relevent factor for investigation on the human side seeing as the human is there to control and observe the car during testing and you would think to also overide the car in just such a case as this. For that to happen though the driver would have to be looking out the windscreen, something that driver doesn't seem to be doing much of according to the video evidence.
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Obee Wan
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icon25 Mar 2018 18:59
The radar in the new motor saved me the other day and not a bicycle in sight.:speechless: Even if the driver had eyes front still think they'd have flattened the cyclist. Blaming the car/driver is yet another cop out for stupidity and not f!$%ing looking.:smirk:
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Exuptoy
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icon25 Mar 2018 19:42
Maybe it's not as cut n dried as Uber are trying to suggest?

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/pol...
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Obee Wan
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icon25 Mar 2018 22:09
Exuptoy:
Maybe it's not as cut n dried as Uber are trying to suggest?

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/pol...


Agreed - just read that but equally it makes me wonder if it's more of the same... e.g. other interested parties manipulating the situation for their own ends?
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ian
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icon26 Mar 2018 00:17
That no excuse for them. Are these cars not using what the military would use for night vision or even better as they in the public domain, they have 360 vision do they not, so should/would have seen most things...apparently.
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Tasha
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icon26 Mar 2018 11:41
I got a laser at the front of my car for that adaptive CC. When I go over the Tay bridge the thing has kittens. It can't distinguish objects. Driver less cars = rubbish :thumbdown:
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Exuptoy
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icon26 Mar 2018 11:48
Thought.........if a driverless car drives on a toll road, who pays the charge?:lol:
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Exuptoy
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icon27 Mar 2018 07:41
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/ube...

:lol:

They're not having a good time of it are they!
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Rob NMTB
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icon27 Mar 2018 08:51
:lol:

tbh, I suspect the problem is always going to be, the integration of different vehicles. And that's before you include pedestrians, cyclists, horses etc etc
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