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Exuptoy
Maesteg, Mid Glam,
United Kingdom

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Daytona 675


icon16 Jan 2018 04:35
...at least learn to take a corner at speed!

Only riding for 2 years eh.....no s!$%!

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/ply...
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andy d
Yorkshire,
United Kingdom

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Tiger Explorer XC


icon16 Jan 2018 07:09
Ouch.20
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon16 Jan 2018 07:45
Got to say looking at the video it doesn't look much of a corner so instead of going o f!$% o f!$% get it lent over and set up for the next corner. His mate in front didn't alter the hedgerow.
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Sir TT
Church of 3 Saints,
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icon16 Jan 2018 08:23
He's on the brakes and panicking as he thinks he's not going to make the very gentle bend which has caught him out as he's going too fast for his abilities!!
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Rob NMTB
Redditch,
United Kingdom

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Speed Triple 1050


icon16 Jan 2018 08:37
tbh, I'm not even sure he was on the brakes.

He saw a bit of a bend, thought he couldn't get round and gave up before he started :lol:
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,117
Bonneville (01-08)


icon16 Jan 2018 09:11
I think he's just tried to keep up with another rider who is much more experienced and smoother . He's has obviously overestimated his speed into the corner and panicked and target fixation has taken over .
I'm sure everyone at some point has done the same thing when they first start riding and hopefully he's wasn't hurt and will learn from his mistake :thumbup:

Good video though :smile:
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon16 Jan 2018 13:02
I think by the time you have progressed onto an 1100 KTM you should be able to get a motorcycle round gentle bend like that.
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Danny
SE Wales,
United Kingdom

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America (02->)


icon16 Jan 2018 13:04
He was on the inside of the bend as it started as well. Just show that his road craft is lacking and all he was thinking "how can I catch him up". At least he was able to walk away and maybe he will learn a lesson, but perhaps not.
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BINKIE -AKA Woodie
Upper Bucklebury,
United Kingdom

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Sprint GT


icon16 Jan 2018 14:35
Even just backing off thee throttle would have given him a chance.

I agree it looks like "target fixation" but it doesn't look that bad. Maybe it's the video giving a false perspective as opposed to the real time eyeball view.
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j p
ma,,
USA

Adventurer (99-01)


icon16 Jan 2018 14:40
s!$%e rider and an Evan more s!$%e link with pop ups and ads :angry:
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Tasha
Dundee,
United Kingdom

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Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon16 Jan 2018 17:34
Hasn't it happened to all of us at one time or another?
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PaulM
Northampton,
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Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon16 Jan 2018 17:35
I have said it before, but will say it again using a video camera while riding driving etc is only sensible if you never ever break the law.
There are several people inside her majesty's pleaser hotels who regret doing so.
HOW MANY ON HERE NEVER EVER BREAK TRAFFIC LAWS THINK LONG AND HAD BEFORE YOU ANSWER.:smirk::smirk:
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Mark Savage
Warwickshire,
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icon16 Jan 2018 18:23
PaulM:
I have said it before, but will say it again using a video camera while riding driving etc is only sensible if you never ever break the law.
There are several people inside her majesty's pleaser hotels who regret doing so.


Correct, but more worrying is the fact that the other rider who wasn't known to the crasher was also convicted from the video evidence. With the popularity of dash cams now too is this another thing to look out for?:frown:
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Rob NMTB
Redditch,
United Kingdom

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Speed Triple 1050


icon16 Jan 2018 19:06
Good point. And what looks fine from the saddle, may look rather different from a wideangle dash cam :sad:
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ChazzyB
Surrey,
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icon16 Jan 2018 19:30
Hmmm, jeans and trainers too. Tsk, tsk,
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Fretmeister
The Aquaduct?,
United Kingdom

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Tiger Explorer


icon16 Jan 2018 19:58
Both were, or are, idiots and the video chappy deserved to crash
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

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Bonneville (01-08)


icon16 Jan 2018 20:41
Fretmeister:
Both were, or are, idiots and the video chappy deserved to crash


:thumbup: Especially riding so fast in built up areas and crazy overtakes . I thought it was a good video in respect of it shows how easily you can get drawn into a bit of a race and push past your riding skills .

Hadn't read the whole article at first as my laptop is so slow with script and ads , but persevered and obviously read the guy on the KTM was injured quite badly and both were lucky not to get a custodial sentence .
As for dash cams ? Totally agree that you have to be so careful nowadays as you don't know who is recording .
Just one reason why I just can't be bothered with sportsbikes on the road anymore , too dangerous to your freedom
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----KK----
West SX / London,
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icon16 Jan 2018 21:07
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Danny
SE Wales,
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America (02->)


icon16 Jan 2018 21:59
Set up I think as I am sure that was a dummy not just riding but as a "pillion" as well.
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Obee Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom

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Speed Triple T309


icon16 Jan 2018 22:06
s!$% riders everywhere.:lol:
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Gladtobebackontwowheels
Dover, Kent,
United Kingdom

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Daytona T595


icon16 Jan 2018 22:25
Loved the way he overtook the car on the junction, f!$%ing lucky the car didn't decide to turn right.
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Exuptoy
Maesteg, Mid Glam,
United Kingdom

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Daytona 675


icon17 Jan 2018 07:28
Too right, impatience and not much skill. 2 years riding on to a 1100 RC8. Too much too soon?
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon17 Jan 2018 07:32
Gladtobebackontwowheels:
Loved the way he overtook the car on the junction, f!$%ing lucky the car didn't decide to turn right.
yep my thoughts exactly....


Tasha:
Hasn't it happened to all of us at one time or another?
. Probably has when young and daft but you always tried something to stay in control, he ran straight on from the second he saw the slow marking on the road, feck all little corner, no ability, luckily probably still has the Yamaha 125cc in the garage.
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BINKIE -AKA Woodie
Upper Bucklebury,
United Kingdom

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Sprint GT


icon17 Jan 2018 07:49
Tasha:
Hasn't it happened to all of us at one time or another?


I must admit it has. but it was on a small capacity bike back in my yoof.

I must admit to going through a hedge like that.... BUT in mitigation it was the softer option rather than the land Rover that was heading my way.

:pirate:

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dave
midlands,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,760
Speed Triple 1050


icon17 Jan 2018 17:30
fukin knob !!!!:angry::angry::angry::angry:

more bad press for the rest of us

stick to riding a C90

lets chase a 1000cc superbike

fukin steve wonder could of made that corner !!!!!!
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Exuptoy
Maesteg, Mid Glam,
United Kingdom

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Daytona 675


icon17 Jan 2018 22:02
:lol:
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

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Bonneville (01-08)


icon17 Jan 2018 22:44
Danny:
Set up I think as I am sure that was a dummy not just riding but as a "pillion" as well.


The huge film quality camera next to the parked car sort of gives it away :smile:
dave:
fukin knob !!!!:angry::angry::angry::angry:

more bad press for the rest of us

stick to riding a C90

lets chase a 1000cc superbike

fukin steve wonder could of made that corner !!!!!!


probably seen or heard the above sentiments dozens of times , and probably been guilty of quite a few myself in the past :blush:
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Skeet
The North,
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icon18 Jan 2018 20:30
dave:
fukin knob !!!!:angry::angry::angry::angry:

more bad press for the rest of us

stick to riding a C90

lets chase a 1000cc superbike

fukin steve wonder could of made that corner !!!!!!




Hoi. I ride a C90:frown:
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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

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TT600 (00-01)


icon19 Jan 2018 07:45
....badly!:evil:
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Skeet
The North,
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icon19 Jan 2018 13:06
:lol:
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Katies Grandad
Snot on the Ouse,
United Kingdom

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Speed Triple 1050


icon20 Jan 2018 21:26
What is this fashion for recording our own prosecution evidence nowadays.
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Skeet
The North,
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icon21 Jan 2018 08:53
Knobbery.
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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

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TT600 (00-01)


icon21 Jan 2018 10:56
It's yer Social Meeja generation, innit.
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon21 Jan 2018 12:15
Katies Grandad:
What is this fashion for recording our own prosecution evidence nowadays.


Skeet:
Knobbery.



Nick:
It's yer Social Meeja generation, innit.


Can't understand these f!$%wits with a camera stuck to their crash helmets29
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Obee Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom

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Speed Triple T309


icon21 Jan 2018 19:42
McWill:
Katies Grandad:
What is this fashion for recording our own prosecution evidence nowadays.


Skeet:
Knobbery.



Nick:
It's yer Social Meeja generation, innit.


Can't understand these f!$%wits with a camera stuck to their crash helmets29


Totally agree. However, I've stuck a camera in the new car to get an insurance discount - it just comes on each time I drive and holds about 16 hours in 1080HD. I honestly don't drive differently as I'm long past the boy racer stage and I reserve that for my bikes - language is fruity though!:lol::lol:

Only reason I'd stick one on the bike is for the above same reason and could be useful when lying twats involved.:thumbup:
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,117
Bonneville (01-08)


icon21 Jan 2018 20:14
McWill:
Katies Grandad:
What is this fashion for recording our own prosecution evidence nowadays.


Skeet:
Knobbery.



Nick:
It's yer Social Meeja generation, innit.


Can't understand these f!$%wits with a camera stuck to their crash helmets29


I've not done video on helmet but on handlebars :blush::blush:

Tbh I like reviews of bikes by vloggers etc and you can discover some nice roads from uploaded vids via yootoob and the likes .
But have to agree you have to be very careful to post naughty vids of silly speeds and overtakes , especially if you can see number plates . And you have to be aware that a simple pull by the plod can result in them checking any video footage you may have on you and that can lead to prosecution .
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BINKIE -AKA Woodie
Upper Bucklebury,
United Kingdom

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Sprint GT


icon22 Jan 2018 09:09
Mach 1:
And you have to be aware that a simple pull by the plod can result in them checking any video footage you may have on you and that can lead to prosecution .


Do they really have the right to demand that. Surely it's classed as personal?

just askin like !
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,117
Bonneville (01-08)


icon22 Jan 2018 19:33
BINKIE -AKA Woodie:
Mach 1:
And you have to be aware that a simple pull by the plod can result in them checking any video footage you may have on you and that can lead to prosecution .


Do they really have the right to demand that. Surely it's classed as personal?

just askin like !


Fair point . I know people who have had their cameras confiscated by the boys in blue , but wether they have a legal right to that I'm not sure . Potentially they might only have to say they believe you have been riding illegally and any footage is evidence so they are justified in taking it .
But I'm sure it may be possible for someone properly clued up in the law to refuse to hand it over

Anyone feel free to disagree :smile::thumbup:
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Katies Grandad
Snot on the Ouse,
United Kingdom

Posts: 2,065
Speed Triple 1050


icon22 Jan 2018 20:46
They must have evidence of an offence or at least reasonable suspicion and then they can seize any evidence of that offence. They can't just seize it as a fishing exercise. As I understand it.....
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Rob NMTB
Redditch,
United Kingdom

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icon22 Jan 2018 20:56
Reluctance to hand it over might be seen as reasonably suspicious 4403
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BINKIE -AKA Woodie
Upper Bucklebury,
United Kingdom

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Sprint GT


icon23 Jan 2018 09:04
Rob NMTB:
Reluctance to hand it over might be seen as reasonably suspicious 4403


Apart from being a leather clad hooligan that everyone knows does vile and depraved things whilst astride a dangerous and anti-social machine ???

:pirate:

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John Nelson
Coventry,
United Kingdom

Posts: 3,135
Speedmaster


icon23 Jan 2018 09:59
Rob NMTB:
Reluctance to hand it over might be seen as reasonably suspicious 4403
thats some catch that Catch-22.:tongueout:
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BINKIE -AKA Woodie
Upper Bucklebury,
United Kingdom

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Sprint GT


icon23 Jan 2018 11:23
Rob NMTB:
Reluctance to hand it over might be seen as reasonably suspicious 4403


Surely that falls under the same kind of evidentiary protocol (can't think of the right term) as "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds I might incriminate myself!"

As it is effectively an evidentiary document which could, and apparently has, be used as evidence against someone.
Surely it should not be even requested unless the suspect (nasty smelly anti social speeding biker) has been either cautioned or appraised of their rights.

I am no expert and expect to get shot down but it's a thought.
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon23 Jan 2018 11:37
Skeet:
Knobbery.
:thumbup: seems to me just for feckers and cyclist who want to argue with everybody that goes within 10 yards of them so they can post on YouTube.
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Skeet
The North,
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icon23 Jan 2018 13:04
This article was in Bike Magazine a few months ago, it is from White Dalton Solicitors, who specialise in Motorcycling stuff.

The Police have limited statutory powers to seize the camera in evidence. There is no statute which specifically gives the Police licence to take the Go-Pro off your helmet, but Section 19 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act gives a general power of seizure where the Constable has reasonable grounds for believing it is necessary to see something, in this case, an SD card, in order to prevent evidence being concealed, lost, damaged or destroyed.

But the law is from 1984 and does not really take into account bike mounted cameras. However, there might be some argument as to whether Section 19 applies to a motorcycle because while it gives the police power to search inside a vehicle it does not give power to search on a vehicle.

So, if you are tugged and the Police have grounds to question you about your riding then they do have the right, if they have a suspicion of some wrong doing, to seize your camera if it is mounted on your bike. On your helmet is much more dubious.

If you have a camera with a display then you may have a socially awkward moment with the Police Officer because he can only demand sight of your video if he has grounds for suspicion. If there is no playback facility, he will either let it go or arrest you and seize the camera. If the Constable, without reasonable grounds to suspect a serious offence, gets you to show him your video without cautioning you then the evidence would usually be inadmissible.
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Rob NMTB
Redditch,
United Kingdom

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icon23 Jan 2018 13:09
So, on balance, cameras are for U-tube knobs, and may well do more harm than good 02
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McWill
scotland,
United Kingdom

Sprint ST (05->)


icon23 Jan 2018 15:00
I concur with my learned friend.:grin:
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Mach 1
Durham,
United Kingdom

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Bonneville (01-08)


icon23 Jan 2018 16:13
Rob NMTB:
So, on balance, cameras are for U-tube knobs, and may well do more harm than good 02


But most of us enjoy watching them ,


at least I do :smile:
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Andy Holmes
Leics.,
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icon23 Jan 2018 20:55
How mny solid white lines did he cross????????
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Rob NMTB
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icon24 Jan 2018 07:57
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But most of us enjoy watching them ,


at least I do :smile:


Yup :smirk::lol:
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