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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

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icon29 Nov 2011 09:27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15...

:pirate:

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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom

Posts: 14,844
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icon29 Nov 2011 09:31
I saw that! From what I gather -

They are building Two

They'll then mothball one of them straight away.

Halfway through building them they have changed the planes ( downgraded so less effective ).

This will require the one they are keeping to be stripped out, and refitted.

They are ALL c!$%s.

End of.....
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Cat Funt
Fuck off Bignose,
United Kingdom

Posts: 19,587
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icon29 Nov 2011 09:39
I thought this was going to be about UPS or Parcelforce, & they hadn't turned up on time :lol:
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----KK----
West SX / London,
United Kingdom

Posts: 41,576
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icon29 Nov 2011 09:43
Me too MV. Maybe the Royal Mail lost the aircraft carrier in the Xmas post.:lol:



With regards to the aircraft carrier, we just better keep our head down for the next 19 years then. 44
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom

Posts: 52,377
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icon29 Nov 2011 11:44
Don't worry, we've got another couple of year's before the other lot might get back in to start some more illegal wars/media/file/76619.aspx.....and they'll just do it on a leaseback basis from a PPP ensuring that we pay 50x the original build cost over a 100 year term:thumbup:.....still, it'll look good on paper:speechless:
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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom

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icon29 Nov 2011 11:47
Morning RM:thumbup:
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom

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icon29 Nov 2011 11:50
Mornin':drink:......or rather evening as it is here....ten to eight in fact.
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Nivram
London,
United Kingdom

Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon29 Nov 2011 12:25
J-Zeus:

Halfway through building them they have changed the planes ( downgraded so less effective ).

nope more capable aircraft..longer range, heavier payload.....VSTOL ops use huge amonuts if fuel compareed to catapult launch
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Deadloud
Up north,
United Kingdom

Posts: 45,695
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icon29 Nov 2011 13:18
maximus vegetatorus:
I thought this was going to be about UPS or Parcelforce, & they hadn't turned up on time :lol:



It wasn't ... and they won't :lol::lol:
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Fret
The Aquaduct?,
United Kingdom

Posts: 64,007
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icon29 Nov 2011 13:41
Who cares how much they spend?
It keeps me employed, especially as we will be supplying even more kit to Scotland.
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Readmarx
south west england,
United Kingdom

Posts: 3,230
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icon29 Nov 2011 14:06
You know, they really should privatise the MOD and stream its funding directly from the private capital markets and then lease the products back to the crown.

That way everything would be done on time, perfectly functional, no waste and taxpayers wouldn't have to pour billions into private defence contractors pockets....

:thumbup:
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Fret
The Aquaduct?,
United Kingdom

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icon29 Nov 2011 14:06
Unless BAE are involved, they really are useless.
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lyttonlad
Roast,
Turkey

Enthusiast


icon29 Nov 2011 14:16
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especially as we will be supplying even more kit to Scotland



You're supplying kilts to Scotchland!! 30
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Fret
The Aquaduct?,
United Kingdom

Posts: 64,007
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icon29 Nov 2011 14:22
Yes, my French ancestors invented them.
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Barney
Jurassic Coast,
United Kingdom

Posts: 18,755
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icon29 Nov 2011 17:27
Going by normal MOD defence contracts the things won't hit the water until they are out of date around 2050 costing a 100 times the original estimate.
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
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icon31 Dec 2013 21:45
ACA Weekly Communication 16 Dec 2013

http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk...

"Structural Completion
This week saw the completion of the hull structure on HMS Queen Elizabeth. Tom Niven, Head of Assembly said, “I am delighted to report that we have achieved the structural design intent, Lloyds Register (LR) of shipping being the acceptance authorities and the ACA being the Structural Design Authorities (DDAs).” He went on to say “This has been achieved through an integrated team approach consisting of engineering, LR, production, transportation and heavy handling.”

Next year will be another extremely important, and busy, year for us. Preparations for flood up will increase significantly in the first quarter, and work on HMS Prince of Wales will continue to ramp up with blocks starting to make their way to Rosyth in the second part of 2014. "

/media/file/115173.aspx

L-R Tom Gifford, Shipbuild Integration Manager, Tom Niven, Head of Assembly, Alan Dodkins, ACA Structural Design Authority, Ian White, Project Manager for Lloyds Acceptance


http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk...

Ian Booth (Programme Director, 18 November 2013) :
“By the end of this year HMS Queen Elizabeth will be structurally complete and she will be afloat next summer. Handover in 2017 will see her well on track to meet the target of flying jets from her in 2018. HMS Prince of Wales will follow closely behind with both ships in the hands of the Royal Navy by the end of 2019.”


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Sir Alan of Ingol
sespit of the north,
United Kingdom

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icon31 Dec 2013 22:01
f!$% me carrier bags are 3p in aldi ,
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Beardy
Suffolk,
United Kingdom

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icon01 Jan 2014 00:25
Readmarx:
You know, they really should privatise the MOD and stream its funding directly from the private capital markets and then lease the products back to the crown.

That way everything would be done on time, perfectly functional, no waste and taxpayers wouldn't have to pour billions into private defence contractors pockets....

:thumbup:
i can't work out if that is sarcasm or delusion :lol::lol::lol::lol:

And that reminds me...

I was watching Star Wars VI this evening and Darth Vader arrived at the Death Star under construction. DV says I'm here to motivate you to get on with it (I paraphrase) and the head project manager says but were going as fast as we can to which DV replies maybe I have better motivational techniques than you, so head honcho replies we'll redouble our efforts. Just to hammer home the message DV comes back with let's hope that's enough as the emperor is on his way and he is LESS forgiving than me.

I suppose it's not a good response to thing I wish I had DV as one of my programme managers....
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Deadloud
Up north,
United Kingdom

Posts: 45,695
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icon01 Jan 2014 02:48
They shipped sections of the carriers past here .. saw one from the cliff top, bloody massive ... it was a mile or two offshore and it dwarfed even the biggest vessels we see. And that was only a bit of one.
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Krautophile
Hunts & Crawley,
United Kingdom

Posts: 57,213
Street Triple


icon01 Jan 2014 08:26
Have you been beside a carrier DL? :grin:

I was beside a Nimitz class carrier at Augusta bay/pier many years ago. They are hhhooooooogggggeeeeeee and seem to go on forever.....
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Deadloud
Up north,
United Kingdom

Posts: 45,695
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icon01 Jan 2014 08:46
Nope ... nearest I ever got was when I saw that hull section from the cliff top. I thought we got some pretty big boats in the harbour here until I saw that.
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Bazzr
Basingstoke Hants,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,019
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icon01 Jan 2014 08:49
Capt Mainwarings Batman:
f!$% me carrier bags are 3p in aldi ,
I know its exorbitant isn't it :lol:
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Deadloud
Up north,
United Kingdom

Posts: 45,695
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icon01 Jan 2014 08:52
You'll pay more than 3p for an old bag around here :smirk:
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

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icon12 Feb 2014 00:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26124894

"The UK is about to commit to the F-35 fighter project, a US-led effort to produce 3,000 aircraft which is set to cost more than £600bn globally.

The initial UK order for 14 F-35Bs will, with support costs added, cost about £2.5bn, Newsnight has learned.

The F-35 programme is central to the future of the Royal Navy and the military aerospace sector of the economy, but it has been plagued by development problems, is years late into service and the true cost to the UK is only just becoming clear.

With 8.4m lines of software, it is by far the most complex fighter ever built, but a Pentagon inspector's report stated that by last summer only 2% of that code was fully up to standard. Much of the plane's software, including that needed to aim and launch weapons, remains to be proven in tests.

Newsnight understands that the first 14 aircraft will be bought for £58m ($96m) apiece. However, once spares, maintenance and initial support are included, the price will be much higher.

One Pentagon estimate last year for an aircraft plus support costs for the first few years came out at £154m ($253m) each.

There will be updates of software throughout the life of these aircraft, adding capability as well as dealing with any specific issues that arise when the aircraft is in use."


Programme Director's Update January
http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk...

Last year was a fantastic year for the programme with the team overcoming many challenges to have a structurally complete Ship 01 in number 01 dock in Rosyth. The team worked extremely hard on renegotiating the baseline contract to STOVL whilst ensuring the programme remained on track. The block build of Ship 02 commenced well with lessons learnt from Ship 01 being applied. This is something we should all be immensely proud of.

The team have had a good rest over Christmas, and after the first month back I am encouraged by the ability, strength and motivation the team have to confront the challenges ahead.

This year will be another busy year for the programme; with attention for the first part of the year being focussed on preparation for Ship 01 to be afloat this summer. Seeing this will be a huge achievement, and something I am personally looking forward to. The emphasis will then shift to outfitting and handing systems onto the commissioning team where we will really get to see the Ship come alive.

Almost as soon as Ship 01 is afloat and has moved to J berth we will have the arrival of Ship 02 blocks, meaning we will have both Ships in Rosyth and will be entering into the most intense phase of the programme.

Although there is a lot going on at Rosyth in the coming year, there is also superb work going on around the UK. Teams are working hard on the block delivery for Ship 02, along with teams working to deliver our sub-systems; power and propulsion, and mission systems which are integral in making our Ships warships that the Royal Navy can be proud of.

2014 is a year driven around operational and technical delivery and ensuring that everyone keeps focussed on the delivery of our programme.

Ian Booth
Programme Director
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Bazzr
Basingstoke Hants,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,019
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icon12 Feb 2014 11:24
Sir Alan of Ingol:
f!$% me carrier bags are 3p in aldi ,

thats cheap in our Aldi in Reading they were 6p,robbing barstewards
:angry::angry::tongueout:
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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

Posts: 20,825
TT600 (00-01)


icon12 Feb 2014 11:36
I've had a bit to do with the Queen Elizabeth (Ship 01) at Rosyth.

It's no surprise that the bloody thing is running over budget, the man-hour wastage is eye watering.

The company that is blasting and painting the ballast tanks has 36 managers on site permanently.........and I know what salary they are on, I was offered a job.

I am pretty certain that every other sub-contractor with have the same, it's ridiculous.
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
Sprint ST (02-04)


icon22 Feb 2014 20:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26292274

The Queen will officially name the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth at a ceremony on 4 July, the Ministry of Defence has said.

(4th July ? Isn't that something special in USA ? )


The event will be held at Rosyth dockyard in Fife where work to assemble the vessel is being completed.

Defence ministry officials say the 65,000-tonne ship is "the most complex warship ever built in the UK".

The estimated cost of the aircraft carrier and its sister ship is £6.2bn. The initial projected cost was £3.65bn.

It has been beset by construction and design delays however.

During the course of the project, an order for carrier jump jets - capable of short take-offs and vertical landings - was switched to jets with a longer range that could carry more weapons.

But the MoD later decided to revert to the original jets for logistical and financial reasons.

Labour's Margaret Hodge, the chairwoman of the Commons Public Accounts Committee, said last year that the "U-turn" involved £74m of taxpayers' money going "down the drain".

She actually means into the deep deep pockets of smiling BAe ‘Executives’ :frown:

/media/file/115952.aspx /media/file/115953.aspx

/media/file/115950.aspx /media/file/115951.aspx
Wot, no Harriers ?
The BASTA*DS :angry:



/media/file/115949.aspx

O look, the new Queenie in flotilla with a type 45 destroyer. Nice !!

But wait. D23 ? Er that is/was the designation for HMS Bristol ! And she was paid off in 1991 and is now permanently berthed at Whale Island. Something very fishy going on here. Explanations please Admiral.

Or is this just another slovenly BBC image department fu*k up ?

Thats all folks (for another 2 weeks) :lol:

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Obee Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom

Speed Triple T309


icon23 Feb 2014 12:02
It's one almighty great gravy train but ultimately it's Whitehall's bloody civil servants and the their bosses, the politicians, who are to blame for these endless financial fiascos. This scenario has been played out time and time again when it comes to military procurement.

These people don't give a flying f!$% about our taxes being misspent and until all tendering companies face huge financial penalties for their mismanagement, where it's not a change in spec that is to blame, then this outrageous waste of money will continue to be repeated.:frown:
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andreas
east mids,
United Kingdom

Posts: 18,136
Enthusiast


icon23 Feb 2014 14:26
:thumbup::thumbup: Exactly!



It's been said many times . . . but, worth repeating - we need a revolution, not necessarily violent, but something dramatic to sweep away the status quo. It just isn't going to happen however . . . :speechless:

PS. This is part of the reason that Scots wish to leave.
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Krautophile
Hunts & Crawley,
United Kingdom

Posts: 57,213
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icon23 Feb 2014 14:29
Will you be going with them?
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andreas
east mids,
United Kingdom

Posts: 18,136
Enthusiast


icon23 Feb 2014 14:31
Not a chance! I see myself as being in England, but not of it . . . :tongueout:
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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

Posts: 20,825
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icon23 Feb 2014 14:33
andreas:

PS. This is part of the reason that Scots wish to leave.


Do you really think that that pair of politically lightweight, dishonest, self-serving c!$%s , Salmon and Sturgeon, will be any better?


Incidentally, are all Scots Nats named after fish?:tongueout:
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andreas
east mids,
United Kingdom

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icon23 Feb 2014 16:28
Nick:
andreas:

PS. This is part of the reason that Scots wish to leave.


Do you really think that that pair of politically lightweight, dishonest, self-serving c!$%s , Salmon and Sturgeon, will be any better?


Probably, if only because there are less places to hide in the Scottish political arena, and their opponents are circling like sharks.
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Obee Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom

Speed Triple T309


icon23 Feb 2014 20:53
It's this simple; give a ministry a project, big or small, and they'll f!$% it up for sure.:thumbdown: Why is it that politicians, civil servants, or anybody in government for matter, isn't on a performance related contract...the concept of failure being rewarded is abhorrent.:frown::thumbdown::thumbdown: The same goes for those gigantic, mutli-national consortiums too - f!$%ers the lot.:frown:
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Nivram
London,
United Kingdom

Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon24 Feb 2014 15:35
SNP...nationalist socialists...hold on did not those type start a war in 1939?:lol:
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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

Posts: 20,825
TT600 (00-01)


icon24 Feb 2014 16:01
They had that haggis-faced mouth-breather Maureen [T]Watt on the wireless this morning, discussing exactly how long it will take the oil industry to decamp from Aberdeen if the Jock's vote to get out.

f!$% me, I wouldn't let her run a bath, let alone a country!
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Lou Jones
Morro Bay, CA,
USA

Posts: 4,707
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icon24 Feb 2014 16:16
Deadloud:
They shipped sections of the carriers past here .. saw one from the cliff top, bloody massive ... it was a mile or two offshore and it dwarfed even the biggest vessels we see. And that was only a bit of one.


I got to see this cruising by when it was going up the west coast to be mothballed/displayed. Guess it's in Pearl Harbor now close by the Arizona memorial. That battleship just kept getting larger and larger as it went past a small group of us as we watched from atop a hill a couple miles away. Hear it's just short of 900 ft long...

/media/file/116030.aspx
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Nivram
London,
United Kingdom

Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon25 Feb 2014 12:40
apparently there is provision to have an exchange unit of USMC osprey aircraft with a compliment of US marines on HMS QE
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Beardy
Suffolk,
United Kingdom

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icon25 Feb 2014 12:42
So we've sort of agreed to give the thing to the USians then? That makes sense, after all DC is most upset that he doesn't have a special relationship with Obama like what dear old Tone had with Dubya.
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Nivram
London,
United Kingdom

Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon25 Feb 2014 13:11
nope only one detachment..in the same way that we have a detachment of ex harrier pilots (RN and RAF) on deployment on USN aircraft carriers, in readiment to continue carrier ops when the F35 gets delivered, after conversion training

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18041297
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Krautophile
Hunts & Crawley,
United Kingdom

Posts: 57,213
Street Triple


icon25 Feb 2014 21:14
Lou Jones:
Deadloud:
They shipped sections of the carriers past here .. saw one from the cliff top, bloody massive ... it was a mile or two offshore and it dwarfed even the biggest vessels we see. And that was only a bit of one.


I got to see this cruising by when it was going up the west coast to be mothballed/displayed. Guess it's in Pearl Harbor now close by the Arizona memorial. That battleship just kept getting larger and larger as it went past a small group of us as we watched from atop a hill a couple miles away. Hear it's just short of 900 ft long...

/media/file/116030.aspx



...yep same goes for the Nimitz class carrier; especially when you are standing next to the bugger when it is birthed alongside a pier! :evil:
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
Sprint ST (02-04)


icon26 Mar 2014 18:33
It is now 100 days to the scheduled 'float out' of 'Queen Liz' on 4 July 2014

http://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/queen-lau...

that is all (for the moment)

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Nick
Birley Edge,
United Kingdom

Posts: 20,825
TT600 (00-01)


icon26 Mar 2014 18:49
They've been committed to that date for ages because the Kraut Trout is in Porridgewogland to open the Running Around in circled
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Barney
Jurassic Coast,
United Kingdom

Posts: 18,755
Thunderbird Sport (98-00)


icon26 Mar 2014 19:51
With no planes or crew they can afford is one of the navy's new white elephant class carriers.
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Nivram
London,
United Kingdom

Daytona 955i (04-06)


icon27 Mar 2014 07:55
Pilots for the new planes are training with USMC and USAF, have been for a couple of years.
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
Sprint ST (02-04)


icon15 May 2014 00:56
50 days

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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
Sprint ST (02-04)


icon24 Jun 2014 10:24
10 days

to the naming ceremony

but it appears the actual flood up and float out will be at a later date

shame

/media/file/117911.aspx

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kev55daytona
Gloucestershire,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,051
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)


icon24 Jun 2014 12:36
/media/file/117925.aspx

USS Roosevelt in the Solent April 2009 - absolutely massive! :pirate:
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Popeye
Plymouth,
United Kingdom

Posts: 1,538
Sprint ST (02-04)


icon30 Jun 2014 11:22
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11308678...

" The Royal Navy's biggest ever ship will be formally named this week - with whisky replacing the more traditional champagne at the ceremony.

The Queen will smash a bottle of Islay malt whisky against the HMS Queen Elizabeth at the event on Friday.

The ceremony will take place at Rosyth in Fife, where the 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier has been assembled and fitted out.

/media/file/118000.aspx

The whisky to be used in the ceremony will be from Bowmore Distillery, the first distillery the Queen ever visited in an official capacity, the Scotland Office said.

Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael said: ''As someone who grew up on Islay I know how much it will mean to the community to have their whisky playing a central role in such an important occasion.

''World class whisky and world class shipbuilding are two of Scotland's finest products so Friday promises to be a special day when we blend the two of them.'' "

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Fret
The Aquaduct?,
United Kingdom

Posts: 64,007
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icon30 Jun 2014 14:08
It's a big boat and I only saw a few of the parts that were assembled here in the 'yard. We made a few bob supplying kit to them, that's for sure.
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