I'm after the collective genius (but I'll settle for you lot ) I'm looking at a very good condition iPhone 4 16GB at the mo the price is £190, is that a good price or what they're fetching as I'll need it unlocked to vodaphone from orange.
cheers Deacs
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would you say that the android phones use the same menu structures and actions to drill down? I'm wanting to play around with it as more and more jobs are coming up wanting familiarity with them - I've only designed 1 other website for handheld so do really need some experience with them! I use a blackberry so there's no gesture based experience there.
+1 for the Samsung.... just upgraded my O/S from gingerbread to Ice cream Sandwich() and kept all my pics music and apps smoother graphics, different menus, faster net access, better battery life... Two folks in work got rid of iPhone 4 for the Samsung offering due to poor battery life and signal dropouts, altho there are a few on here that like em.... gotta say I like the Android system... oh and you are not locked in to Itunes for your music with snotty messages if you didn't buy the track (seen that a couple of times to iPhone users)
Deacs: I'm after the collective genius (but I'll settle for you lot ) I'm looking at a very good condition iPhone 4 16GB at the mo the price is £190, is that a good price or what they're fetching as I'll need it unlocked to vodaphone from orange.
cheers Deacs
I have an iphone 4 and have done for 18 months - I think its very good at everything bar actually making phone calls
Android here too, had an iphone 3, but my galaxy S2 is so much better. I watch a lot of film s on mine on my train journey into work, the galaxy will play any format, unlike the Iphone and as aitch says, no itunes!!
Whatever you buy just remember this : it's a year or so old and the battery is probably past its best - is the battery either user replaceable or can you do it yourself? iPhone batteries are tricky - I can do a 3/3gs but never tried a 4.....if not you''re looking at 50 quid minimum.
I love the iphone and have had every incarnation since before they officially hit this country. I'd say that price is about max I'd pay as the 4S is a better bet. Battery life at a 12month shouldn't be an issue. My last 3g iPhone is still going strong and is nearly 3 years old.
cheers for the feedback Chaps much appreciated so would you say that navigation between android and iPhone is similar or are they completely different?
Similar.... As Apple took Samsung to court over the similarities in certain aspects of the handsets and the O/S I'd say there's not a lot in it.... I will say that there are aspects of the apple product that I wouldn't entertain... itunes being one of them... and that fact that apple are very manipulative in what they allow you to do with the handset.. The android O/S is pretty much open source so you can tinker if you want, whereas the Apple O/S is locked down solid
yep I guess with regards open source and something as locked down as the apple OS is that whilst there is a demogrphic that like to tinker the majority aren't tech savvy enough, and of course there's more chance of infections on an open source environment (unless they've closed that down since the last biggy?).
Bluelabel aka ~Aitch~: whereas the Apple O/S is locked down solid
Not wishing to get into yet another iPhone v competitors debate and the fact that you may have to pay for it, but Jailbreak opens up a world of personalisation
But can you modify the O/S on the Apple...? (dunno) apparently you can with the android system (not that I want to, wouldn't know where to start) .... but AFAIK the android system is pretty much open source with rooting a regular mod
I thought that jailbreaking was another term for unlocking.... pardon my ignorance... so what does it actually do to the O/S, does it open it to amateur modification ...?
Jailbreaking is just allowing other programmer software/progs/apps etc to be run without the handshake from Apple. Things like porn would not be allowed to be sold on itunes yet some owners would still like it! Yeah I know you can browse porn without restriction so maybe that isn't the best comparison. Apple has their apps tied down to the purchaser (like DRM music) but with a jailbroken phone you can download every apple single app from other sources without the phone rejecting it as soon as you sync your phone. You don't have to pay for an unlock when you want to change subscribers etc. Been there, done that, happy enough with a standard one now. Media monkey will let you transfer files without itunes BTW.
Wiping purchased apps is not the norm. If he had paid for them on his own itunes acct it would just put them back when the computer checked his account when backing up the phone for upgrade. If he had purchased the phone already secondhand with apps loaded on or from another itunes account the he would lose them as they weren't his.
Apple are so concerned about losing control due to jailbreaking that they update the baseband with the new updates so it cannot be downgraded to accept the jailbreak. I bricked mine one time upgrading from Jailbroken to new update and it f!$%ed the phone but there's always a back door they won't tell you about. Easy when you know how. Just had to get the phone into DFU mode which is what they would do should you send the phone back to them with a software problem but they won't talk you through it on the phone when you ring them with a problem.
See.... too much control..... I did hear that an iPhone costs £49 to manufacture, the rest of the sale/contract price is pure profit... given the amount they sell, the need for that much control is just ludicrous
The thing is when you have a product that sways a person that much then you are guaranteed that customer until the opposition makes something real GOOD. Through many years/updates. I am one of those customers. Love the iPad and macbook too unfortunately. It's an expensive hobby.
Bluelabel aka ~Aitch~: I thought that jailbreaking was another term for unlocking.... pardon my ignorance... so what does it actually do to the O/S, does it open it to amateur modification ...?
Quote: One of the lads in work updated his O/S on his iPhone and it wiped all his apps (inc the ones he paid for...) apparently it's the norm.
It has never happened to me, my wife or my daughter's iPod
Quote: apparently you can with the android system (not that I want to, wouldn't know where to start) .
What I don't understand is why people think it's so marvellous that you can gain access to the Android OS whilst having no idea how or why they would do it
What I don't understand is why people think it's so marvellous that you can gain access to the Android OS whilst having no idea how or why they would do it
The same could be said about Tune ECU and Triumphs ECU's when it became available not many on here knew what to do with it or how to but soon learnt how do use it to make some little tweeks to the bikes running to fine tune it to your tastes.
I have root access to my android, i mainly use it to remove any bloat ware that my network operator forces on me, and to fine tune and tweek a few settings that makes the phone run the way i want it to, it also lets me monitor and back up the entire phone should it crash or die ive got more access to saved settings i want.
Rooting and android like jail breaking an I phone can if your not careful turn your phone into an expensive paper weight, it can also void your warranty but can also give access to a few little tweeks on more advanced stuff if thats the route you want to go ( a little like tune ECU)
I used TuneEcu not to fiddle but to spend money having a professional do a days dyno work on my bike: there's tinkering for the sake of it and there's using a tool to make genuine improvements.
I wouldn't want to screw around with a phone for the sake of it but there's always some well intentioned amateur who thinks he can 'improve' on what trained professionals have spent hundreds or thousands of hours perfecting.
RM: What I don't understand is why people think it's so marvellous that you can gain access to the Android OS whilst having no idea how or why they would do it -
same with the apple O/S... cuts both ways I guess
RM: I wouldn't want to screw around with a phone for the sake of it but there's always some well intentioned amateur who thinks he can 'improve' on what trained professionals have spent hundreds or thousands of hours perfecting.
if that was the norm we'd all be riding around on stock bikes...
Summat I noticed when handling the iPhone 4s was how heavy it is compared to the SII... 140g as opposed to 116g... not really relevant in the software stakes but worth noting all the same
Yeah....those extra 24g would be a real back-breaker
The lengths people will go to to criticise iPhones and most of them have never even owned one......they just repeat stuff they have heard 2nd or 3rd hand as if it was fact
stating a fact is not criticism RM... and I did say it's not relevant in the software stakes... and as I've played with an iphone (3GS) for a couple of hours before I got the SII (me sis-in-laws) I feel qualified to comment.... have you tried an S2...?
TBH the three front runners for my first smartphone were the BB 9900, the Iphone 3gs or the Samsung S2 after playing with all three I liked the BB9900 because it did everything that the others did...
even tho I liked the UI's on all three, I couldn't get to grips with the touchscreen keyboards at first on either the Samsung or the Apple, then I heard about the BB having bugs in it's O/S (from a vodafone employee) and of folks having signal dropouts on their apple products I went for the Android offering as it has a bigger screen, good camera, no itunes, and no real outstanding issues... it's what you'd call doing your homework... and making an informed decision...
and to be honest The Samsung has been fine.... in all seriousness I think If the boot was on the other foot and I'd got the apple phone I'd be saying that same about that too.... I speak as I find.... when you see guys at work shouting at their apple handsets and complaining about poor signals and cut off calls while you decide what handset to go for it tends to colour your judgement a tad.....
lets just agree to disagree on our choices and call it that eh....?
Will probably have an iphone next, but for the life of me cant imagine why.
had a 3g which was s!$%, had a 3gs which was better but useless as a phone, had an ipad for all of 4 weeks before selling it.
the whole apple thing is just becoming so convenient with all of the additional stuff you can get. i hate itunes but virtually everything connected with music is now geared around apple devices.
) I'm looking at a very good condition iPhone 4 16GB at the mo the price is £190, is that a good price or what they're fetching as I'll need it unlocked to vodaphone from orange. 
just upgraded my O/S from gingerbread to Ice cream Sandwich(
) and kept all my pics music and apps 
......they just repeat stuff they have heard 2nd or 3rd hand as if it was fact