Well, they might not be 7% down on tax receipts for a start, there might be a few more jobs out there, and a few less people staring down the barrel of a repossession order. But hey, it's ok ... I'm so past caring I only read and post this s!$%e for entertainment
What cuts? there haven't been any yet. The real blood letting has yet to start but it will have to before it's over they are just papering over the cracks at the moment.
They laid out the start of the real cuts yesterday the days of deciding not to work are going to be over very soon. Staying at home on the dole isn't going to be an option.
Thinking about it, will the gypos still get medical care and stuff seeing as they contribute sod all to anything ? Or will the cuts only effect those they can get at easily ?
Who knows?there may not even be an NHS with all the hospital trusts that have over spent because of PFI. How can one hospital have an over spend of £69 million who's doing the books for god sake Gorden Brown. If they were private companies they would be bankrupt.
I heard labour whining about the fact that PFIs were in fact a great way to pay for new facilities and had been a great success.....despite the fact that some Trusts are spending 17% on interest repayments They were just another way for Bliar and Brown to mortgage our future for the sake of popularity and opinion polls based on a thin veneer of economic credibility
All politics to one side for one moment, well kind of.
Lets just take if for a moment that we are shagged no matter what, and all parties left right and assunder they are mostly all a bunch of tossers / two faced (despite the best endeavours to cut our way out of it)
Ok, just tell me then, how a f!$%ing twat like Bliar can strut about appearing on the politics shows on a Sunday morning and attempting to creep and crawl his slimey way back into the UK credibility books If nothing else that really takes the f!$%ing biscuit that he can be treated with that level of high regard. Two barrels up the a-hole is too good for that man.
he has made more money off the back of his stint as PM than any other politician. Add to that a company with a questionable structure designed around obfuscating with a view to ensuring that a huge amount of his earnings go tax free and you have to say the man does in fact need both barrels up the arse
It doesn't matter who gets in next time the cuts will have to be massive if we are not to end up like Greece or Spain.
The spending just has to stop in the hospital above they paid someone a million £'s to show them how to save money it beggers belief only in the public sector.
I'd go further than that Barney ... I think the sheer scale of cuts required are impossible to implement without deconstructing our society completely. I think the other countries like Spain and Greece will all suffer the same fate. It's all going to hit the fan, and if this government has done anything at all, it's only managed to put off the inevitable.
I tried to find the graphic that showed a huge pyramid, with one brick missing at the bottom of one of the corners. Done to scale it showed how much difference the planned cuts would make. And the brick that was missing would be back in place in no time thanks to the interest on the rest of the mountain.
Red Monkey: I heard labour whining about the fact that PFIs were in fact a great way to pay for new facilities and had been a great success.....despite the fact that some Trusts are spending 17% on interest repayments They were just another way for Bliar and Brown to mortgage our future for the sake of popularity and opinion polls based on a thin veneer of economic credibility
Chris S: Are you suggesting we need more, deeper cuts?
I'm just suggesting that the problem (IMO) can't be solved without civil unrest and the breakdown of our society at a fundamental level. We keep pouring money (bail out loans) into broken countries that will never be able to repay, while all the time going under ourselves. The whole thing started because ordinary people took out loans they couldn't pay back, I can't see the answer being to scale up the same scenario to country level. We're heading for the 1800's, in ten years time the banks will be sat on thousands upon thousands of repossessed properties that nobody will be able to buy, cash will make a comeback as people trust the banks less and less and want to do jobs on the side. The car industry will probably collapse entirely as fuel prices decimate the number of cars, which which will further kill off tax revenue. Food prices will soar as jobs are cut and people will start to go hungry, the NHS will collapse and people injured in the ensuing riots will die in the street.
In other news I reckon the weather will be s!$%e too
You've forgotten the hungry masses forming local bands of thugs / highwaymen to steal food to feed their families, the colapse of the Police service and the rise of vigilantiism.
Better still .. do away with all the labels. Disadvataged, disabled ... stop giving people 'special' status and maybe they'll see themselves differently. Ie. 'normal' ... and help themselves more.
CONS declared cuts, local councils (mostly LAB) started SPENDING like mad so their budgets looked higher so cuts had less real term impact.
greedy snots, instead of accepting the opportunity to find ways to save, they made it worse -hence the figures.
the lack of income tax isnt through unemployment - thats been fairly steady its the big boys scared off by the stupid 50% tax band LAB invented - they went off and found jimmy carr esque tax avoidance schemes.
when CON reduced it back to 40% people said they were helping the rich be richer. No they weren't they were trying to keep them paying UK tax not slipping it out offshore.
The tax rate is Monaco for the rich is less than ours - Is their council struggling for funds??? No.
All the usual stuff trotted out,,by the usual people,,,fact %62 of all benefits are payed out to those who are working,,in low paid work.(figures from the ONS),over £1bn of housing benefit is paid to people in work-low paid work. Working Tax Credit has done nothing but allow Employers to get away with paying less,now Flashman and Mini Me are muttering darkly about doing away with housing benefit for under 25s(how many of them have actualy"decided not to work"),,,and reducing child benefits,,,after all we dont want these unemployed sorts breeding do we ??? Appalling stuff,,,as an aside to all this stuff,,the High Court in London is currently deliberating on wether the Govts forced free labour schemes are illegal,,,,after a college graduate was forced to stack shelves at Poundland or lose benefits,,,all of this will no doubt please/anger certain people,,, This current Govt is a truly appalling thing to behold,,divide and conquer,,so long as no one pays any attention to how rich the ruler is.
Aaaarrggghhhhh Look, it's simple.....the last lot spent too much money and bought stuff on a kinda big credit card so that everyone felt happy with their 'Matrix style" false existences based on credit, artificial wealth and an economy build on sand. However, they (the last lot) also spent more than they had coming in a gave people jobs like the ones in my local council where someone was paid 18k a year to keep 3 photo copiers filled up (and that my friends is from the horse's mouth - a friend who works at the council). So the last lot finally got exposed for being inept and the new lot came in.
The new lot are probably no different to the old lot insomuch as they are also populated by ex-public school boys from privileged backgrounds with little "life experience" and an ego which deludedly leads them to think that they can help the little people like you and me who didn't go to Oxford, Cambridge, Eton or Harrow. However, the new lot said "fcuk me, the old lot have f!$%ed off and left all the bills unpaid so we'll have to make some savings wherever we can and pay off the debt"
It really is that simple....take away politics, bury your political dogma and the facts are the facts: it's inescapable.
Excellent - while you are at it would you please explain why Einstein's Theory of Everything failed to mesh with either his Quantum or Relativity theory
jimmyj: Excellent - while you are at it would you please explain why Einstein's Theory of Everything failed to mesh with either his Quantum or Relativity theory
Einstein never actually did achieve a theory of everything. He worked toward one all of his life. The Kaluza-Klein theory unites Einstein's field equations with those of Maxwell, or the gravitational force and the electromagnetic force.
It does not describe, for example, what makes the stars shine or radioactive decay and Einstein was aware of this. Physicists have since named these forces, respectively, the strong and the weak. So we end up with four forces. EM, the strong force, and the weak have been succesfully united by quantum mechanics, a science which Einstein ironically chose not to accept even though he helped create it. QM makes use of Einstein's SR theory but cannot succesfully incorporate gravity. String theory seems to succesfully unite all four of these forces. It predicts the existence of a particle (string, not a zero-size particle) called a graviton. Scientists are still looking for evidence of the graviton, and providing that evidence is the goal of super colliders like the LHC.
Alternatively one could refer to the work he did with Schrodinger.....although it should be noted that Schrodinger's pet cat had mysteriously disappeared by then.
The real question I believe if what exactly is "in" the 80% of the universe that we can neither see nor measure and how can we prove the existence of a multiverse
The key point you raise there is "Schrodinger's pet cat had mysteriously disappeared by then" which of course is entirely dependent upon it being found for it to be determined as 'lost'
Woah,,,,what a great thread,,,and by the way,,when did I ever say anything good about the previous Govt,,probably time our leaders stopped harping on about them as well. Would be nice if the reflex reply to the narrow gap between low wages and benefits became "dont cut benefits,put up wages",,based on the ONS figures that logicly should trim the benefits bill by about %62,,,,image the Employer screams if that was ever put forward !!
simj26: How do you stay competitive with higher wage costs? Bit of problem that!
Simples.....we lower our already low standard of living either by driving wages down or through working even longer hours than we already do (the longest in Europe IIRC) and then officially make the UK a 3rd world country
Any firm that has to rely on paying wages low enough that employess qualify for working tax credit to be "competitive" should be put out of business ASAP. The poor,the young(makes a change from middle aged people ie miners and steel workers) the weak and the needy all the usual right wing Govt targets,,,lets see the Employers being dragged into line,,,or other measures,,,tax land ownership and wealth accumulation,,, An interesting health fact,,incidents of stillbirth are twice as high in "deprived" areas as in "well off" areas,,,maybe Flashman neednt bother trying to malign the NHS after all.
It's gonna get messy.
They were just another way for Bliar and Brown to mortgage our future for the sake of popularity and opinion polls based on a thin veneer of economic credibility
Look, it's simple.....the last lot spent too much money and bought stuff on a kinda big credit card so that everyone felt happy with their 'Matrix style" false existences based on credit, artificial wealth and an economy build on sand. However, they (the last lot) also spent more than they had coming in a gave people jobs like the ones in my local council where someone was paid 18k a year to keep 3 photo copiers filled up (and that my friends is from the horse's mouth - a friend who works at the council). So the last lot finally got exposed for being inept and the new lot came in. 
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