All fixed now, did the work myself and she started first push of the button
£50 Motobat (just in case) £157 Starter motor of the gay £92 Idler gear £68 Idler gear £123 Hub and gear £7.50 Gasket £7.50 Gasket £8.00 Oil £0.68 Washer £152 Sprag Clutch Assembly £30 Oil
Grand bastid total 695.68 most prices rounded down, plus fuel to drive from Andover to Swindon to pick up parts
The only good news is the starter motor splines look to be ok although scarred and the sprag clutch itself from the original 'bang' looks to be ok so I can sell em on evil gay.....
I preferred to get new items just incase, the 16/18 tooth idler cogs are much thicker than the ones that went tits up, perhaps Triumph addressing a problem that (according to them) doesn't exist
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andreas: Well done matey - you're obviously good with the spanners. On the case and sorted - I would've expected nothing less!
Easy stuff really, used my ipad 2 on the World of Trumpy parts website to know exactly which washer/bolt/bit went where absolutely stonking.....torque wrench to be sure....simple. Dunno how much money I saved on labour but its really only an hour to strip and put back together, and thats taking it careful like
Harley parts were cheap and the aftermarket often had better stuff for less.
Ok, it's a totally different proposition but some things are comparable. An Aprillia clutch lever was $300 and a HD one $100. There's just no excuse for the price some charge.
All this 'ouching' and strained comments ... and nobody has bothered to mention that for a bike company with the heritage and supposed expertise that Triumph have ... it's not only a f!$%ing outrage that they make bikes with cardboard starters and clutches, it's also a disgrace that they deny there's a problem. Same goes for their ripple effect petrol tanks.
deadloud , simarlar problems on newer royal enfields , and I thinki if you google , there are problems with most MFG ,buyig the sprag clutches in
in the case of the enfield bullet , an auzzy guy spotted that the parts were born warger (sp) and used on cars thu out the world , and the repacement cost came down from £xxx to £xx
you may find that triumph have "bought" the assembly in from a third party company , that supplies other companies , or are indeed parts used in cars
So they're only guilty of fitting sub standard parts then ... but why deny the issue ? ... and I'm sorry, but just because other cars/bikes have the same problem isn't an excuse for them having it.
It pisses me off when instead of getting riled about stuff like this, the same people who end up being out of pocket putting their cars and bikes right after they break down, are the ones who make up nice stories and excuses for the companies who supply duff machines and then deny there's a problem.
No wonder it takes so long to get faults rectified .. the customers are making the arguments for the manufacturers ... hardly an incentive to sort stuff out.
come on this problem with faulty suppliers has been going on for years
about 10 yrs ago fugitsu hard disk drives , using a "cirrus logic" chipset billions in the world went tits up , fugitsu addmitted this , but UK law only gave a 12 month warranty ,,,,, so get stuffed!
In the case of the royal enfield (fitted with a electric starter) <foolish move for an aftermarket attachment to a 500 single>
several attempts by the main importers to sort it (backfire on start= piston going backwards and damaging the sprag clutch)
the answer was a modded ECU unit , that basicly ,, did not fire the spark , for about 109 turns of the engine
.. and it'll go on for years more too, as long as there are people willing to find excuses for it the manufacturers have no incentive at all to do anything about it. I simply don't think it's acceptable, in this day and age, for any company to knowingly fit faulty or sub standard parts then deny there's a problem when it's been brought to their attention and it stares them in the face.
Fault parts supply is a big issue, if you buy to a price point and only do superficial follow up monitoring, you can't control the quality. Ask all those wimin with faulty plastics bags of silicon they bought
The HD starter clutch I had to replace was a Denso part fitted to many a Toyota. It was cheaper through a Partco-type place than a HD dealer (but not by much to be honest and the HD one came with a new jack shaft).
What's interesting, to me anyway, is that they fail at a higher rate in a big v-twin than a four cylinder diesel Toyota. So, the part could be fine in one setup but inadequate in another. I suspected it was the periodic kick-back on starting that f!$%ed mine.
Some folk fit compression release on one cylinder to lessen the load too.
I did for a while. I had letters from magazines, a local racer from the Speed Triple races, MCN and dealers all stating the sprag on the 900 was weak and the replacement was a beefed up version that needed the crank case machining to get it in, yet the reply was "Out of warranty, wrong oil, not serviced correctly, flat battery" etc. Yes, the battery was tired and probably didn't help, but the fact is that it shouldn't happen on newer models.
The teeth went on yours, which suggests a different failure to mine. What usually happens is that the sprag spins and centrifugal forces make it lock and then spin once the engine catches (Imagine how a rear sprocket works on a bicycle and you will get the gist). A flat battery won't spn it fast enough and it will slip, wearing it and then failing completely.
Well mine was 15 years old when it went new years eve so given its age and comparing what it cost to get fixed against what I hadn't paid out over the last few years on servicing (did my own, what I could do), plus the cam chain change and so on I reckoned £800 all done, picked up and dropped off was pretty reasonable.
Deadloud: All this 'ouching' and strained comments ... and nobody has bothered to mention that for a bike company with the heritage and supposed expertise that Triumph have ... it's not only a f!$%ing outrage that they make bikes with cardboard starters and clutches, it's also a disgrace that they deny there's a problem. Same goes for their ripple effect petrol tanks.
And the fourth gear problem that they deny ever existed, or that they redesigned (apparently it wasn't a redesign, it was a "parts standardisation").
Quick work there, Triplejak. My Speed Triple's still in bits 8 years after 4th gear went bang, lol.
That sound's like Mark Swepson or Charles Smart they normally started with if your bikes broken with in the warranty period it must be something you've done. They kept it up until Triumph got the letter of impending legal action then suddenly it all got the ok for the dealer to sort.
Barney: That sound's like Mark Swepson or Charles Smart they normally started with if your bikes broken with in the warranty period it must be something you've done. They kept it up until Triumph got the letter of impending legal action then suddenly it all got the ok for the dealer to sort.
Don't know who he was. Some bloke on their NEC stand years ago ( I was with RM, G and a couple of others). I dealt with Peter Clarke over my Street R warranty issue though (Swepc!$% was out of the office - he'd told my dealer I was welcome to call him, but neglected to mention that he was just on his way out for a 2 week holiday) - what an obnoxious arrogant c!$%. Wouldn't budge an inch and wasn't remotely interested in any kind of goodwill gesture. The bike was under warranty, but he was insistent the problem was my fault, and said they'd be happy to go to court over it. Thoroughly objectionable and unpleasant c!$%
Triplejak: DL I am not making an excuse for Triumph, what do you suggest I do, Should all us TT'' with sprag experiences get together and have go at them?
Little point really ... they won't listen, especially if you've already sorted the problem yourself. I'm biased of course after my experiences with Triumph, but I reckon I've got every right to be ... but then again I slag any company off that treats it's customers like cash cows to the extent Triumph do. The next big thing will be the tanks, Triumph have been around long enough to know that denial fixes f!$% all.
DL...i work in the motor trade...brought up in the s!$%ty existance....they are all the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cars/hgv/bikes...dont just think they hate you
triple queen aka tq: DL...i work in the motor trade...brought up in the s!$%ty existance....they are all the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cars/hgv/bikes...dont just think they hate you
Are you an old banger then TQ? Runs for cover with body armour and helmet on
