I hope those Argies don't realise we don't have any Vulcans, Harriers or aircraft carriers or they may decide to have another take-over bid. I think we'd struggle to defend the Shetlands these days (which is what I thought they'd invaded last time)
Current military thinking for a successful Argie take back seems as follows -
"However their special forces are highly respected. Most military thinkers agree they offer the only credible threat through a surprise attack on Mt Pleasant. One scenario might be a civilian airliner packed with special forces to divert to Mt Pleasant, says Colonel Southby-Tailyour. 'It would take a very brave politician to shoot down a civilian airliner in cold blood. The Argentine forces are good. They could jump out and shoot everything up.' "
Then it would just be a matter of disabling the 4 Typhoons with hand grenades then allowing air resupply to the Mt Pleasant air strip from Argiland.
So there you have it. Yet more Dirty Dago Spic Tricks. And as usual you heard it from the BBC first.
Chris Ryan wrote a book with this scenario in mind, Land of Fire I think it was called, however our special forces stopped the jet liner taking off from Argie Central through use of maximum f!$%ing violence (MFV)......so there you go, Plot Foiled
Triplejak: Don't make me come down there and slap your dago arses again, plastic fuking wops
Love that
Was watching a program on sky anytime about the Harrier the other day ... talking to a pilot from the Falklands war about being outnumbered 20 to one ... 'ah yes, we call that a target rich environment'
nickwiz: Or maybe cut the racist s!$%? Just a thought? Its like reading the Sun in here
Why do you continue with this site nick, you go against the grain On almost everything posted........there has to be life in another Place on tinternet surely....
Sorry if my blatant racism offends people on here, I went to war on account of these tw@ts, I was lucky came out unscathed and without any PTSD type problems, however friends and acquaintances didn't
They want to do it all again they will be sorry, I think it will kick off bigger, and quicker than last time. The naughty stick will come out of the cupboard and Johnnie Foreigner will get a bloody nose
If our efforts 30 years ago were to be a waste of time I will be more than a little bit upset.
Wait, I have just thought about it for a moment. NO I AM NOT SORRY AT ALL. f!$% EM
Don't think anyone really thinks about 'empire' anymore, but if the Falkland Islands ARE our territory then we have a right, and probably a duty, to defend them against aggressors. Besides which, there are people still alive today whose loved ones' blood was spilt over there last time. It's a mistake to talk about 'empire' ... but it's equally wrong to lay down and let everyone walk all over us, no matter who they are. Besides, they started it.
It's open to debate, but actually I think we started it, but that was a long time ago......
Anyway, we are (rightly) defending the people rather than the territory. Their right (exercised over many years) to live there governed by the UK, which is what they want. O, and the oil rights of course.
As said above, it won't kick off again. It's all posturing.
Don't get me wrong I think they are daft as hell. The bottom line is that the Islanders want to be British, So the Argentines should accept that and come up with a deal with us over the oil. Whats happening now is stupid. but (yeah I read the book on Empire too and watched the programme) using racist language to back your point up just kind of devalues it. I think the best insult in this kind of situation is the self assured superior attitude delivered along with a a few bullets. Otherwise you sound like one of those over daft dramatic emotional argentines. The Times type argument rather than the Sun stiff upper lip and stick it too em and all that
And wouldn't this place be a dull as s!$% if everyone agreed all the time twiggs?
Is it acceptable when laying down automatic fire to shout...'GET SOME DAGO BASTID?' or 'EAT LEAD SPICS? Perhaps some retraining of our armed forces etiquette is in order
Rag or towel head may be inserted depending on who you are brassing up
Triplejak: Is it acceptable when laying down automatic fire to shout...'GET SOME DAGO BASTID?' or 'EAT LEAD SPICS? Perhaps some retraining of our armed forces etiquette is in order
Rag or towel head may be inserted depending on who you are brassing up
Yeah I guess it is especially when they are trying to do the same to you.
Fair enuff I'll climb down off this horse. Its a bit high for me anyway.
Glitterboots: It's open to debate, but actually I think we started it, but that was a long time ago......
Anyway, we are (rightly) defending the people rather than the territory. Their right (exercised over many years) to live there governed by the UK, which is what they want. O, and the oil rights of course.
As said above, it won't kick off again. It's all posturing.
Go on then Glitter. How exactly did 'we' start it then. Lets hear those pearls of wisdom. Come on I can't wait.
Most Argentinians seem to have oddly Spanish sounding names, which begs the question as to what rights they actually have to the land called Argentina. I don't think the Falklands ever had an indigenous population to be killed, displaced or infected with influenza and then finally ruled and subjugated by the Christian bringers of enlightenment. They weren't too fussed about the Malvinas when we were building their railways for them either.
Quote: Go on then Glitter. How exactly did 'we' start it then. Lets hear those pearls of wisdom. Come on I can't wait.
In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland. In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.
Quote: Go on then Glitter. How exactly did 'we' start it then. Lets hear those pearls of wisdom. Come on I can't wait.
In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland. In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.
In 1690 Royal Navy Captain John Strong discovered and declared the Falklands as British. in 1765 the British were the first Humans to settle in West Falklands.......Now when Literacy came to Argentina in 1820, Argentina claimed soverignty..and invaded..in 1823 Vernete was deposed the invaders ARGENTINE, were repatriated to the mainland...........In 1885 the Falklands became self supporting British Colony..
Vernet was there after getting permission to establish a settlement from the British. When the British went to inspect the new settlement they found that it was a penal colony which was not what the British had agreed to. They then told Vernet to take the prisoners back to where they came, which vernet did. The British invited the civies to stay put, if that was their wish and about 30 decided to stay. They accepted British government because the British payed them with silver, Vernet only ever payed them with his own paper money which was only accepted as transferable tender in his own store.
The bull and bluster surrounding the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War continues apace, with reports in about Argentina’s Tierra del Fuego Province refusing to allow two cruise liners to dock at Ushuaia. At least one of the liners had recently visited the Falkland Islands, and both vessels were flying flags from the Red Ensign group.
The cause of Tierra del Fuego’s ire apparently, was that the ships had breached a local law which forbids access to ships flying the Union Jack. This is commonly known as the ‘Gaucho Rivero’ law, named after one of Argentina’s hero’s from 1833.
According to Argentine myths and legends, Antonio Rivero, a 26-year-old employed by Luis Vernet to hunt wild cattle on the Falkland Islands, opposed the return of British forces in January of 1833, valiantly raised the flag and held out for months against huge odds.
As with so many Argentine myths however, the truth is a rather different thing.
Antonio Rivero was indeed employed to hunt cattle although exactly how long he’d been employed by Luis Vernet is unknown. What is known is that Vernet paid his workers in promissory notes rather than hard cash. These notes could ony be used in Vernet’s own stores for over-priced goods, leading to a build-up of frustration amongst the gauchos.
On the 2nd January, 1833 a British naval force of two ships arrived off East Falkland Island and ordered the flag of Argentina to be lowered, and the trespassing garrison to leave. Which they did, without a fight. Vernet’s settlers were asked to remain and the majority agreed, including the gauchos who had their outstanding pay settled in full, in silver, by the British Commander.
Shortly after the British had sailed away again however, Vernet’s second-in-command returned to the Falklands and resumed the issue of promissory notes. Tempers flared, Rivero led a riot and during the course of this five of Vernet’s employees, including his deputy, Matthew Brisbane, an Englishman, were butchered.
The event was recorded by a visiting missionary, Titus Coan; “ .. here we heard an account of the shocking event and its immediate cause. Brisbane employed the Spaniard Antook as a shoemaker, and several Mestizos and South American Indians as herdsmen, bullock-hunters, etc. Failing to pay them promptly, from lack of means, as he said, they were angry, and determined to kill him and all his friends and plunder the village. According to the plot agreed on, Antook came to the door of this room one morning while Brisbane was sitting before the stove lighted with a fire of peat, the principal fuel of these islands, and demanded pay. Brisbane refused, and immediately a bullet went through his body. He grabbed for his pistol, in a cupboard on his left, arose to fire, but staggered and fell, when he received a blow upon his head from a cutlass and three stabs from a dirk. He was then dragged to the door, his feet bound with raw-hide rope, and this being attached to the saddle of a horse, he was drawn out into the field, where he was stripped, mutilated, and left unburied. His clerk was also killed with several others at the same time, and the town was sacked, a few Englishmen escaping ..”
The murderers fled into the interior and hid there until captured by a British force the following year. Rivero and eleven other men were seized, five of who were Englishmen. The offenders were eventually taken to London for trial, but Rivero was not prosecuted owing to a legal technicality over whether the dead men were under the ‘Kings Protection’ at the time of the riot.
Rivero was returned to Montevideo, and that was the last that anyone heard about him until Argentina’s nationalist movement raised him up as a hero more than a century later.
Yes. Mine was the abridged version but that just about covers it.
The problem is that, although this information is all available in Argentine historical texts, archives and libraries, the only people who ever see it are serious historians who agree that the official Argentine history is bunk, and it is the official history that is taught in Argentine schools.
Fair enough. The truth is that the Falkland Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders. It is not up to the UK or Argentina to decide what they want. Many, if not most of those families have lived and died there for generations, before many Argentines even set foot in most parts of what we now call Argentina.
Given a fair chance and enough time to do so, maybe 200 years, the Falkland Islands will one day become an independant nation in their own right. They can do it too. Most people think the islands are a speck of rocks that people cling to, overall they are the size of Connecticut and probably rich in natural resources.
If they do decide to go independent the UK will back and support them, Argentina will do what they have always done unless there is a fundamental change of atitude on a national scale there.
One other thing. The only reason the rest of South America supports them is because Argentina has territorial claims including the whole of the River Plate Basin taking in Paraguay, Uruguay, large tracts of southern Brazil, the whole of Chile and get this; Antarctica. Not just the bit closest to them but the whole of Antarctica.
So whilst Argentina is obsessing over 'Las Malvinas' they are not obsessing over anybody elses territory. If they start another war, LATAM would be happy if Argentina got handed their arses again. They are retarding their own national development and that suites the rest of LATAM just fine.
Little Englander 'we still have an empire' jingoism definitely
