Animal Mother: I am currently talking (via email) to Alain Fontaine about this. I'll let you know if there's any progress.
Please do - I have same configuration (not going to mess with mine right now - have TuneEdit key) - but would like to see how it comes out.
Massive2 is awesome right 'out of the box' - consider a donation to Cerberus.
I will do.
Did massive 3 ever get sorted or is it still not completely sorted?
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Did massive 3 ever get sorted or is it still not completely sorted?
I have asked this question before...but had no takers. Does anyone on this present discussion have any update?
Massive2 is brilliant to say the very least. The only problem is you become (well, me at least!) something of a 'tune map whore' always expecting to get a little bit more...but can the '02-'06 D955i really deliver any more than that which Cerberus extracted from the motor back then with Massive2?
PS. Does anyone have a Dyno graph of the results for the Massive2 tune
I only tried the original and '2' - was really pleased with 2 and never bothered trying 3. Had figured any tweaking from that point would be best to just iterate from that base with some dyno tuning.
While I'm sure there could be some optimization for my own specific bike, have been really pleased with it & no great urgency to take it further.
That graph is not of mine! I think it is Cerberus own result - I hadn't intended to infer that was my actual result
D'Ecosse: Had figured any tweaking from that point would be best to just iterate from that base with some dyno tuning.
I agree. Massive2 as a generic tune is incredible. To extract any more I guess would need further customization to the motor in question -- not all are identical after all.
I did however read on the board somewhere that Cerberus had eventually withdrawn the Massive3 tune due to some problems -- but then I guess that he is a perfectionist. Still would like to try it tho.. I go back to the whore simile
So, when I'm up and running I would consider loading the tune into the ecu from my PCiii.
My problem is that I have an old serial PCiii with a map file which I will need to add but TuneEcu seems to only recognise dat files. Does anyone know how I can convert dynojet "map" file to "dat" file? or do I connect to the PCiii and then using TuneEcu, retrieve the map from the PCiii in situ?
At the moment I am waiting for the lead so can't try it.
Looks like this excellent piece of freeware could be the death of Tuneboy for Triumphs
Red Monkey: So, when I'm up and running I would consider loading the tune into the ecu from my PCiii.
My problem is that I have an old serial PCiii with a map file which I will need to add but TuneEcu seems to only recognise dat files. Does anyone know how I can convert dynojet "map" file to "dat" file? or do I connect to the PCiii and then using TuneEcu, retrieve the map from the PCiii in situ?
At the moment I am waiting for the lead so can't try it.
Looks like this excellent piece of freeware could be the death of Tuneboy for Triumphs
Homertrix: of course, you're assuming the TuneECU guy will have the ability to provide continued support when he's not being paid for his efforts.
Good point although as it's currently freeware, I wouldn't expect much in the way of support. Having said that, judging by previous internet trawls, Tuneboy is hardly a paragon of customer support.
You get what you pay for. My take is that there will continue to be a market for Tuneboy. As with AVG Anti-Virus, there is a free version and a supported version. Let's think of TuneECU as the unsupported free version and Tuneboy as the supported version -- supported by Wayne himself and his franchisees around the globe such as the junction 33 Dyno Centre in Lancaster http://www.junction-33.com/
The unsupported version will be just that! Use at your own risk. The supported version should be just that: efficient and timeous support via Wayne and of course the specialist installation and development of custom maps via a dyno via his local franchisees. Some will be happy to go the free route; others will prefer to pay for peace of mind. Ii is my view that the [Free] Market can and will support both options.
The constant `knocking` of Wayne at Tuneboy about lack of support is getting very boring and is being deliberately done to try and get a response(or cause another argument with)from a certain Tuneboy dealer on here,Has anyone bothered to find out the content of the e-mails sent to him for support with his product.Maybe people that had attitudes like some of the ones on here sent e-mails that were not polite in the content through frustration(i know i would ignore some of the tossers myself).I can only speak for myself and a couple of mates,but we had excellent support from Wayne and Emma on the occasions it was needed
OK then ask the question on here of any of my customers (the ones who have paid and also the ones who I have never had a penny off)......or indeed af any of the previous importer of the product (whom I always had excellent support from).
I would love to see the reaction of RM if anyone dared to offer his employers a free service that would mean he would be left without a job. Fortunately I have a succesful business to run.
As a newbie to the Triumph fold I have no real experience or knowledge of the parties involved.
I am probably fairly typical of the average user. I.E. I want to diagnose faults if there are any. Reset/adjust the tps and co and if the incorrect tune is loaded in my ecu upload the correct one without the need to travel 45 miles to my nearest dealer. Once sorted and running nicely I'll probably leave it the hell alone and only ever do the diagnostic stuff during servicing. I'm not going to spend shed loads of money on dyno time fine tuning to the nth degree for minor gains. I just want my bike running nice and smooth and efficient.
I don't want to work on multiple bikes or run a business with it or do anything particularly fancy.
Tuneboy is nice and fancy looking and will do it all but at £200 for the diagnosis only setup I figure it's not giving me anything more than the dealertool but is costing me £140 more for the pleasure. That does not make financial sense to me. It is however a commercial product with full support from the programmer* (obviously the support or lack thereof argument is down those people with first hand experience of it.)
With the full map editing/loading facility it's £300.
For me, much as I really like the functionality that Tuneboy offers I can't justify the £300. and with other options available IMHO it's just not good value for money.
Dealertool wont let me mess about with tunes but will let me do the diagnosis stuff. Costs £60, is a commercial product with support*(again no experience of their support system.)
For a diagnosis only tool it's probably just a touch steep price wise IMHO but it is significantly cheaper than Tuneboy in either incarnation.
TuneECU, appears to do everything Tuneboy will do and like Tuneboy knocks the dealertool software out of the water on functionality. Download it for free, buy your own cable (bog standard odb for about £10-£15). There is an inherent assumption of no support and an assumption of no upgrades to the software due to it's free nature.
Having said that it does appear to be under continuing development. It also appears on face value to offer everything Tuneboy does but at almost zero cost.
As such I will try TuneECU and the £285 I've saved gives me about 15 tanks of fuel to go out and enjoy my nicely running bike with!
Afterthoughts are that personally I would have bought the dealertool in a flash if it had been half the price and put up with going to the dealers for a tune reload.
Had Tuneboy been around £80 I'd have probably bought it without doing any digging round for a cheaper alternative with reasonable functionality.
I wonder whether TuneECU will remain free but frankly if it's priced sensibly I think people will pay for it.
As the owner of an older bike for which new tunes are not being developed I think Wayne probably needs to look at his business model. If his only unique selling point is the support of the programmer then I fear he will not be making many sales.
Unlike the others Tuneboy works with a number of different makes some of which are very current some of which are not. The biggest problem is the exchange rate.......Tune boy used to be a fair bit cheaper until the s!$% got knocked out of the pound on the markets....I remeber (I think) the heady days of 4 AUD to the pound (approx) which would have made the full kit about a hundred quid.....
Both the others mentioned work with triumph only (I assume they support all the latest models like Tuneboy does).
Can we just stop the pointless child like bickering, it's frankly embarrassing. People go their own ways, and have their own opinions, live with it.
greasy: The constant `knocking` of Wayne at Tuneboy about lack of support is getting very boring and is being deliberately done to try and get a response(or cause another argument with)from a certain Tuneboy dealer on here,Has anyone bothered to find out the content of the e-mails sent to him........
I'm not "anti tuneboy" (I'd never buy it though due to the cost), but, I've seen an awful lot of threads on an awful lot of forums (not just here) complaining about product support, or lack of it. Don't ask for an example, use google, that's how I found them all.
Homertrix: of course, you're assuming the TuneECU guy will have the ability to provide continued support when he's not being paid for his efforts.
Baron von X-Man: Can't wait till Mr frog has enough hooked to make it pay....
SA_Rider: The unsupported version will be just that! Use at your own risk.......
Well, I installed tuneECU yesterday and found the diagnostics and testing side to be perfect. No hitches whatsoever.The same as when I saw TuneBoy being used on my bike.
When I cam to download a new tune, there were compatibility issues.
To cut a long story short, the developer of TuneECU spent the day (a good 8 hours) in communication with me (back and forth with email), without getting frustration, without any loss of patience and he sorted the compatibility issue for me. Now, before some of you go off on one with "blah blah, s!$%e, compatibility problems blah blah s!$%e", he sorted it, and it worked, and I now have Massive2 in my ECU.
Oh, he turned down the offer of money for his software, time and effort too.
Baron von X-Man: Just to be clear: TuneECU only supports FI Triumph Triples. None of the FI twins or the older FI four cylinders (e.g., Speed IV) are supported by the software. I am unsure about the 2010 675. Indeed, I am of the understanding that Triumph now has a cable and software for this model as the Actia hand-held does not support the new ECU setup used on that model.
Animal Mother: On the support given by the developer of TuneECU. He has always gone the second, third and fourth mile for me as well. This said, being a free product I cannot presume he will always be able to offer such incredible support -- the old saying 'the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak' comes to mind. Hence my earlier comment: The unsupported version will be just that! Indeed, in correspondence to him earlier today, I stated (and I quote)
<<...The swift and efficient way you work not only continues to amaze me, but is an excellent indicator of French etiquette -- after all, the French not only invented the word, but set the standard for all others to follow! I salute you my friend!>>
My point AM is that its currently trading on goodwill; nowt wrong with that. In fact I commend the bloke for doing it.
Long term, though, he will have to look at some sort of registration fee to justify his time spent supporting it; especially if it starts to get adopted by tuning centres. Not suggesting it will be much; even €20 will net him a fair few thousand a year.
Homertrix: My point AM is that its currently trading on goodwill; nowt wrong with that. In fact I commend the bloke for doing it.
Long term, though, he will have to look at some sort of registration fee to justify his time spent supporting it; especially if it starts to get adopted by tuning centres. Not suggesting it will be much; even €20 will net him a fair few thousand a year.
Baron von X-Man: I would love to see the reaction of RM if anyone dared to offer his employers a free service that would mean he would be left without a job. Fortunately I have a succesful business to run.
Like it or not, I'd have no choice but to accept that that's market forces at work. The only alternative would be to follow Tony's example whenever anyone suggests an alternative to Tuneboy which wouldn't really be an option.
Tuneboy no longer has a monopoly and there's little point anyone getting upset about it or knocking anything that isn't Tuneboy because they can't accept it as an alternative or make money out of it.
What's with the chopper? My dream is to do my licence. Media File
I just keep them flying! The company won a contract to spray date palms in Oman, spent 2 weeks there last month, getting them re-assembled & flying properly. They've just finished the job & will be dismantled & shipped back to Oz next week. What's it cost in the UK to get a licence? Would think it would be cheaper here or in NZ!
Having issues trying to get this to work. When I hook up the cable to my brothers windows vista computer it auto loads a driver for it as a printer. When I open the tuneEdit program it says it doesn't have a COM1 port recognized. Error 2 its calling it.
I went into the device manager and attempted to install the drivers from ftdi site but still didn't work. It did change the type of device that it was, but I select the driver install it, then it asks for another driver location. Can't select the drivers I downloaded.
A thing of note, I'm using a usb to 25pin serial connected to a 25pin serial to obd2 I don't see why it shouldn't work as the linked cable is the same with out the serial in the middle.
redmosquito1: Having issues trying to get this to work. When I hook up the cable to my brothers windows vista computer it auto loads a driver for it as a printer. When I open the tuneEdit program it says it doesn't have a COM1 port recognized. Error 2 its calling it.
I went into the device manager and attempted to install the drivers from ftdi site but still didn't work. It did change the type of device that it was, but I select the driver install it, then it asks for another driver location. Can't select the drivers I downloaded.
A thing of note, I'm using a usb to 25pin serial connected to a 25pin serial to obd2 I don't see why it shouldn't work as the linked cable is the same with out the serial in the middle.
Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
I'd say it is the wrong cable. Probably doesn't have an FTDI chip fitted.
I will order the VAG OBD lead and then have a play
.....and a wider choice of products
: Shame the dyno business went tits-up though.
