Alx...no you buy a vehicle that contain the maps within an ECU that is part and parcel of that vehicle.
I made no assertion as to ownership, copyright or otherwise..just stated that the maps in the ECU are from the "factory"..not installed/created by Tuneboy/Edit.
Baron von X-Man:
The map it contains belongs to you (wether you have the means to access it or not) as you have purchased it.
This is not quite correct at all. When you buy a computer with, for example, Microsoft Windows installed on the disk..you do not buy the right to resell/reverse engineer or modify the software.
Same when you buy a book..does not give you the right to claim ownership of the IP.
Baron von X-Man:
By your (and Bjiorn's) assertion, any company (shall we say Tekra) that devlops a way of accessing and changing the software is guilty of piracy.
No, I make no assertions re: the map in the ECU...the claim was made that Wayne had IP over the maps in the ECU.. I don't believe that any such claim is/was or can ever be made. Furthermore there is no such agreement entered into by a Tuneboy licencee or enveloping the clearly free and uninhibited distribution of maps (modded or otherwise).
No, just like any software because its free and freeley available doesn't mean that it doesn't belong to someone who has given their permission for it to be so. They can withdraw that at anytime. Some authors make it implicit in the licence to use that you don't distribute the software even though it is free.
Any map created by Tunedit will be saved in the format created and used by Tunedit and it is those he has IP of I would have thought. I have not actually READ the licence terms......
No it has IP over the format of the file you just saved.....as you noted you only have a licence to use it you don't own anything but the words contained in it and unless you you legally protect those specific words you don't even get that far; such is the world we live in.
If Wayne created a file format specifically for tunedit files then it belongs to him (if he did, I don.t know enough about these things unlike Homer) there is no argument. If that file format happens to be interchangeable with another then one assumes it was intentional for a reason. However it doesn't take away from the licence conditions he imposes on the use of that file format (whatever they are) unless they can be proved to legally unenforceable.
IIUIC open office can read and write .doc files but its own internal format is different.
So why are you asserting that Wayne has IP over "maps created with Tuneedit"?
You are mixing IP of the file format and IP of the creation process for the map.
But before you also asserted that, should you also happen to buy a bike with maps, then that gives ownership of the map as it came with the bike.
Irrespective of whether the maps (as a file) are in proprietary format at all (and there is and has never been any claims to authorship and ownership by anyone..rather dangerous and pointless really..ownership implies product liability).. so..irrespective of the format on the computer..once uploaded and redownloaded it is not necessarily in this magical proprietary format that deems to Tuneboy some vestige of IP ownership.
IP in itself is a rather broad and arguably vague term..copyright, trademark and patent are more specific, well defined and defensible concepts.
Should there be any IP concepts applied to the format of map files, at best it would be a patent format.
There is no patent..pending or otherwise...it would not make commercial sense to go through that expensive exercise.
Copyright could be asserted for any unique map ..it would have to be unique.
1(just so you get your facts straight) it wasn't me that asserted that Wayne had IP...
2: You do take ownership of the map that comes with the bike or can you point me to anywhere that specifically excludes the map in the terms of sale..(for any bike will do but more specifically Triumph)?
3:Wayne has product liability whether he likes it or not; hence the disclaimer that comes up everytime you alter a map and try and upload it. You buy it he has laibility UNLIKE a 'free' program where there is no product liability especially when they specifically say 'you try this software at your own risk....etc'.
4:IP is a very clear issue and there are laywers around that just deal with IP so your statement is icorrect.
5: If the licence of the software states that you are not allowed to reverse engineer the software then despite your protestations if you do so then you have broken the terms of the licence and hence the law. So, if Wayne created a specific format, any one who reverse engineers that format so as to be able to read the contents or to enable them to read the contents of the ECU has broken the terms of the licence if such a term exists. Can you point out to me in the terms of sale from triumph where it states that you are not allowed to reverse engineer the software in the ECU? and also where it states that this term is transferreable to second and subsequent owners.....?
A map created in Tunedit (albeit it is changed rather than created but that is semantics) is always unique unless you happen to change every point to match the other map without foreknowledge of the other map. But that again is semantics. Its still a unique map and therefore can only be shared with others if the author forgoes copyright weither by design or by not bothering.
If i put a map up on the internet and someone loads it and their engine blows up then they could have a claim against me unless I specifically state that it is use at your own risk. whether you lke that or not it is the case. Same applied to me if I created a map for a customer and he did not wish it to be shared, even though I created it it was not mine as he/she had paid for it. And I had a resonsibility to to the customer not to ruin his/her engine UNLESS they said to me " I wan't maximum power and do whatever it takes to get it even if it will shorten the life of the engine" I would in that case also ask for written confirmation.
The lite version also clears DTCs which is VERY useful if you own a D955i and your MIL light comes on every time your fuel gets low! It also checks the operation of the tachometer, cooling fan, fuel pump, air flap (675), stepper motor, exhaust valve (675) and SAI. I think you can also adjust the Exhaust valve on the 675 which is also a VERY useful feature.
SA_Rider: The lite version also clears DTCs which is VERY useful if you own a D955i and your MIL light comes on every time your fuel gets low! It also checks the operation of the tachometer, cooling fan, fuel pump, air flap (675), stepper motor, exhaust valve (675) and SAI. I think you can also adjust the Exhaust valve on the 675 which is also a VERY useful feature.
With the USB-cable 1. Generation, works TuneECU.
With the USB cable 2 Generation, I have not tested it.
Have you also "TuneECU.exe" and "key.bin" in the same folder?
The serial cable does not work with TuneECU.
D'Ecosse: Will TuneECU work with the Tuneboy cable?
I tried connecting with the Tuneboy drivers (I have a full key authorized TuneBoy program) then tried with the ftdichip drivers & neither seems to work.
Anyone tried to connect TuneECU using the TB cable?
Remember NOT to install the Drivers from the Driver Disk that the cable comes with! Install rather the CDM of 2.06.00 (or above) drivers appropriate to your operating system. These can be found here: http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm
Finally, make sure that NET Framework 2.0 [or higher] is installed on your system. This can be found here:
Animal Mother: Tried downloading a map (Massive2.dat) to the ECU but the ECU comes back with:
I would presume this has something to do with fact this is a modified map, as opposed to a 'virgin' OEM map.
Have you tried loading an OEM map to see if that will at least take?
(only to add another data point to the potential resolution - not suggesting you 'settle' for that)
If that works, then perhaps you can copy the tables & modify them in TuneECU and save using that program & see what happens.
Red Monkey: I'm not interested in loading maps but am interested in the diagnostic.
I've downloaded the TunEcu files,unzipped them and put into one foilder but they will not initialise. I was expecting to double click on the TuneEcu icon and see an interface launch....or am I misunderstanding?
I'm not using a cable or anything....just wanted to look at the Windows interface
make sure that NET Framework 2.0 [or higher] is installed on your system. This can be found here:
Animal Mother: I am currently talking (via email) to Alain Fontaine about this. I'll let you know if there's any progress.
Please do - I have same configuration (not going to mess with mine right now - have TuneEdit key) - but would like to see how it comes out.
Massive2 is awesome right 'out of the box' - consider a donation to Cerberus.